oh no!!!

[cowboy]

Elly wrote:
"wheres the road that leads us out of this race Guest--I really want to know"

elly....they are still trying to raise the funds to build it.

[Guest]

By the way Uggie--I wasnt offended by youre asking whether we would have worked for a big development at that time--but more by the "Bleeding heart liberal spiel"

Ellie, for that, I apologise....I'm not completely "logical" always and tend to get a little "passionate" myself.

and--dont know about now--but in our time there --locals including our Portuguese friends/workforce--were "in fear" of the local authorities/Camara --really intimidated--have things improved I wonder--anyone know?

This makes me very angry
People should NEVER be intimidated by the people they are paying to look after their interests!

Whats the point of a "democracy" if the people are stifled-after all --

EXACTLY!

theydidnt get a vote or a say in whether they joined the Euro--but come to that neither did the Dutch

...and neither will we, I suspect! but, that's a whole 'nuther matter, I'm afraid.

Some of my sons Dutch friends (young students)were angry about this and want their Gilda back---others were apathetic---apathy is big enemy--and can let forces of extreme in

Exactly, if you don't vote, you don't have a say.

-------so youre right in that people "should" stand up and let their voices be heard

Absolutely! I'm all for getting out there and rattling the cages of the self important, but utimately democratically elected "functionaries" that make these decisions. I went from being a complacent "non-voter", to being a thorn in the side/royal pain in the arse, community spokesman against our borough council. We didn't win the particular case, but they now know that there are people out there watching 'em, and ready to take 'em on, it makes a difference.

Considering how much you care, perhaps the best thing you could do for your friends in the Algarve is to motivate them to stand up, en mass, to these horrible little "grey men" who are making decisions, on their behalf, without regard for the welfare of "the locals"


I'm sorry to clutter up the forum with this "rant", but I would have emailed Ellie had I had her addy.

Peace, man

Ps. The formatting above appears to be a bit mangled (sp?), but I'm sure you get my drift!

[Uggie]

Forgot to identify myself again, sorry.

[maddi]

Hi Uggie

Become a member and set your browser to log you in every time to sign onto cvo.com then you will never have the "forgot to identify myself" thing again. Dead easy.

Maddi

[Ellie]

First of all welcome back Mads--great to see you back on here--missed you
Uggie---peace man Ahh I remember it well --my teenage years with kaftan and beads
Of course I/we get your drift --Im drifting same way
Dont know if I could gather my Algarve friends en masse uggie --could take some doing!
You could have used my e-mail --which is on the homepage on "Ellies Corner"--but Im sure many will read and enjoy your comments here as I have.
"Power to the People" ---
you still havent told us your way out of the rat race--or is it a secret
Make love not war--flowerpower-mm.

[Guest]

Maddi, Ellie, am now "registered". Look forward to contributing to the madness here. I've actually been visiting this forum for a couple of years now, ever since our first visit to the Algarve, but haven't posted very much to date. Made up for it recently I guess!

[Ellie]

you sure have Uggie----welcome aboard!keep posting!
Boa noite,Ellie.

[Guest]

Boa noite, Ellie

[martin]

i think as i started this subject..its time to let the sun set over the brown fairways touched by the algarve setting sun,,as we drink our g & ts and say

THE END

[Guest]

[quote=you still havent told us your way out of the rat race--or is it a secret [/quote]

Different "guest", not me..................I'd like the answer to that one as well!

[Ellie]

Is the last post you Uggie?
I thought it was you who were leading us on that route out of rat race? I hope it is
when you spoke of those "men in grey suits" --local authorities?
When I lived there--they looked more like the Mafia!
Leather jackets hanging from shoulders-eyes covered by dark shades--grim to look at---our workforce/friends were frozen to the spot when they put in an appearance-----Ive told of one of my confrontations with them on "Ellies Corner"--called "Left in Charge"------upsetting to see decent people intimidated in such a way.
But I never found out"why"? They would just say they were afraid;didnt like them --and then stay silent---------
I keep hoping someone will come on here and (hopefully) tell me things are different today
Have a nice day

[Uggie]

Is the last post you Uggie?
I thought it was you who were leading us on that route out of rat race? I hope it is
when you spoke of those "men in grey suits" --local authorities?
When I lived there--they looked more like the Mafia!
Leather jackets hanging from shoulders-eyes covered by dark shades--grim to look at---our workforce/friends were frozen to the spot when they put in an appearance-----Ive told of one of my confrontations with them on "Ellies Corner"--called "Left in Charge"------upsetting to see decent people intimidated in such a way.
But I never found out"why"? They would just say they were afraid;didnt like them --and then stay silent---------
I keep hoping someone will come on here and (hopefully) tell me things are different today
Have a nice day

Yeah, that was me Ellie, I thought I'd completed the registration exercis, but apparently not

Men in grey suits - local authorities? Yep, but I was using the British variety as the example....my mistake.

Sadly, the types you mention are still all too prevelant in southern Europe, as is the bribery and corruption that keeps them in power

[tricky]

Welcome back Maddi - you've been missed!
There has been one or two debates that you would've really got your teeth into!
How was Florida?

Tricky

[Guest]

Uggie, bribery, corruption, greed etc. Are you talking about our Royal Family or the Blairs?

[Guest]

ellie,have a quick look at camping /caravan biz for sale on the buy sell or exchange bit.Looks less of a rat race then a kinda gentle amble!!I be interested to read any comments on same.
gerry