Habitation whastsit

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:45 pm

Anonymous wrote:Our habitation license took three months....we had water from a pond and paid to have electricity connected from builders day one....(10,000 Euros because of special problems like nobody else around for miles and no electricity for miles.......BUT,,..guess what we had ADSL from day one (Wow)....I'm not sure one can get Bore hole permission nowdays if your south of the 125.....or so my bore man said...(Boring man ) ...You can live in your house before you have the habitation license..but there are some funny rules about not having lamp shades up .....all very odd isnt it........

you seem to be a person who knows all but knows very little why not find out whats what
start with the form model 129 do you have one?whats on your deed? how about the land registry?are you sure you are the owner?this is ace do you want to know more?

pm · Post by pm » Fri May 13, 2005 9:12 pm

yes piglet, same person, but nicer now.

This http://www.ourhouseinportugal.co.uk/theoldmill.htm is the reason we went looking for a house. It was so spooky, spooky old dear in black with a broom, spooky dippy son.

The menus don't work. The images are clickable, quite large though.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 13, 2005 10:09 pm

Yes I want to know more Oh wise one..what is model 129...never heard of it......I can only tell you as it is.......as things really are here and as 99% of people coming here will find it........I have spent the last 5 years of my life standing in lines at Camara and finances......trying to find out more.....three Lawyers and two builders.....but I'm really interested to hear just how your Model 129 will clarify the question of Lamp Shades required or not prior to Habitation license..please do tell me........but what I can tell to anybody wanting to know is just plane facts as I have found them...and how they will find things ..trying to build here.......so before you acuse me of not doing my home work....try to understand that I'm posting here based on my experience and trying to help anybody that might want advise.again.......based on my experience.....but anyway I await your advise ref 129 and lampshades....

paramonte · Post by **paramonte** » Fri May 13, 2005 11:15 pm

I think Mica brought an important peace of information that may be important to PM.

Would you please Mica elaborate a bit more as what is the rationale behind that D.L 38382. Why should old houses be exempt of Licença de Habitação? Even if it is a let down ruin?

Paramonte

paramonte · Post by **paramonte** » Fri May 13, 2005 11:24 pm

Guest.
Your question about lamp shades and modelo 129 puzzles me a bit.
If I may ask did anybody tell you that you may only put lamp shades after Licença de Habitação has been granted?

Piglet

If the builders cross the dealine of the Licença de Construção the builder/owner as to require an extention for a fee. In the house where I live it was 50 Euros for more six months, but values depend on the council.

My wife and I still haven´t setled for a name to our villa. At first we put our son´s name, but droped it as the wife did not like the idea . For the moment the name is Esteva (the shrub that gives Algarve its sweet scent), but we will change that as well…guess what: the wife doesn´t like it. What about your villa? How are you going to name it?

Paramonte

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat May 14, 2005 10:02 am

Villa names...ah good point..I also dont know what to call my new Villa.....should it be a local Portuguese name ..or English ..what does everybody think.....

Ref the 'Lamp Shade' question.........I heard a similar story from my builder but I'm not sure if he was trying to say that it shouldnt look lived in or what.......I cant think why because its legal to move in prior to habitation license I am told....but there was something about light fittings and habitation license mummbled........

and yes what is modelo 129...??? I too have no Idea...

piglet · Post by **piglet** » Sat May 14, 2005 11:16 am

MAny thanks to everyone who replied so far.

I think we will all learn a lot from this. Also grateful to our Portuguese "posters" and their input. So much is so hazy...I just think we have only just began to scratch the surface.

Kind REgards

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat May 14, 2005 12:05 pm

We bought our apartment in Lisboa and lived there for about six months before the entire block got its habitation whatsit. We were told that when the building gets inspected they will want to see inside a couple of the apartments; we will get advanced warning and we must remove the bedclothes……. A game they play

piglet · Post by **piglet** » Sat May 14, 2005 12:19 pm

Hi Digger

but its understanding the rules of the game....

minna · Post by **minna** » Sat May 14, 2005 6:40 pm

Can I take it that its the piglet person asking for ideas on names for their villa?
How about - Pigs Sty ?
If its to be Portuguese - Casa de Porco ?
Would they be searching for something hidden under your mattress Digger? Is that where you hide your treasure?

minx

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat May 14, 2005 8:11 pm

Dunno what their game is….. they can look in the toilet cistern, for all I care. I’ve got nothing to hide

Anyway, I’ve chosen a name for the house of piglets:
“casa da leitao” what do you think

Mica · Post by **Mica** » Sat May 14, 2005 8:21 pm

D.L (decree - lei ie law decree) 38382 was introduced on 7th August 1951. I don't know why it came about or the rationale behind it but having helped many people with various documents here, I do know that houses built before August 7th 1951 are exempt from having to have a habitation licence. The seller should ALWAYS provide the purchaser with either a habitation licence or the exemption certificate, otherwise it is not a good idea to buy the property. I am helping someone at the moment, who didn't get this document from her lawyer and it is causing her a few headaches, especially as she went ahead and started some renovation works, which will now require her to submit a project to the Câmara and request a habitation licence. The architect says that he can guarantee it but who knows here!!!! To get the exemption certificate for a property built before 7th August 1951, one needs to supply the following to the Câmara:

A set of topographical plans
Photographs
Property documents
Statement of 2 local witnesses

I will get round to registering soon, as I have broadband from today and am quite happy to offer advice on this and many other topics regarding purchasing property here either on this site or via a PM.

By the way "Ace" or "The wise one" hijacked the computer after me, after drinking too much beer and was a little obnoxious! Sorry about that. He actually does know quite a lot. I will check up on modelo 129 that he is quoting and report back.

piglet · Post by **piglet** » Sat May 14, 2005 10:30 pm

Hi Minna

Casa de Porco

love it!! I can see you are a person that brings a sense of humour to a dry subject of habitation license

PAromonte...good luck with naming your villa. Perhaps it should be named after a state of mind or feeling rather than a person.

Speaeak soon
Piggles

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun May 15, 2005 7:00 am

Mica......Thats very interesting because I also had a few too many at that time and I thought it I that was being a bit obnoxious......interesting how a few beers change ones mood .......then you read what you wrote the nxt day and feel a bit guilty.........anyway ...my experience on the 1951 thingy was as follows.......I was going all through the Camara approval business and almost at the Building license stage..then at the last minute I had to get Bombaros and Agua certificates......(Another Month),,,..and then right at the last minute they wanted additional proof that the ruin was older than 1951...........how do I get that I asked...Oh you have to apply to the Camara.....but I'm at the Camara.......yes thats corredt , fill in this form.,
Form filled in and then told to go away and come back in 2 or 3 weeks.......They sent an Inspector to my Ruin to make sure it was still there and he decided if it was pre 1951.........this was in addition to other paperwork I had that stated it was pre 1951..........it took another month........bu the way it took me over 3 years to get a building license......and now..another 18 Months ...I'm still building.......Patience.!!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:24 pm

Anonymous wrote:My builder told me he will apply as soon as the house is finished and all paperwork done ..(Electrician /Architect etc).then it takes from one month to four ..he said......Dont forget to visit Finances for the valuation withing 60 days.otherwise you get fined....

I would very much apprerciate it if someone please could confirm that when a new villa (house etc) works are completed by the builder that he has to register it at the Tax Office (Finances) within 60days and I assuming submits a Modelo No 129 form (now I believe its called a Modelo No 1 form) i.e. for completion of his works. Can anyone also confirm what the actual amount of the fine is if the builder fails to notify within 60days?