more on tourist property licences

[tbbr]

There was a " PLace in the Sun " on friday night with a couple looking for property in Crete.
Any property with a tourist lisence had to have a plaque on the walls and No mods could be made to the property once the certificate was granted.

Property values reflected the ability to let.

Greece is in the EU so all they are doing is the same as Portugal wants to.

[Mike,Chislehurst]

Anymore news on the re vamped licence requirements. Seem to remember they were due in June albeit they didn't say which year.

[steveh]

Know nothing about revamped requirements but had an e-mail from a mate out there to say there are 300 'fiscal police' inspecting management agencies and their books. Apparently, if you use an agent in any capacity you need a 'stamped contract' (whatever that is) or could be fined.
Is this just another way to get even more money from us property owners?!!

[Scorpion]

My agency mentioned they had had the tax man crawling all over them recently.

[tricky]

My solicitor is 'waiting' for the tourist licence to be sent to her.
I'm not holding my breath

[martin]

new report see here

http://portugalresident.com/portugalres ... p?ID=20135

[DELASOUL]

Bottom line please... is it illegal to rent your villa out in 2008 without a license?

[tricky]

Not Illegal exactly but you could be hit with a very heavy fine.
I'm not going to risk it.

[martin]

just remember as one writer on expats portugal said

"everything is illegal in portugal , except where it is written down you can do where-as in uk (for example) you can do anything except where it is written down you cant do"

so whatever you try and do here you will always be wrong..recently I know of one person who put some plant pots outside their terraced house was reported to the local camara...the result was they have now had to obtain a plant pot licence (7 euros a year) to overcome this serious breech of planning regulations!

[Scorpion]

Does your everyday Portuguese resident require a licence to let their property or is this something specifically targetted at the tourist trade? If the latter what are the characteristics that make a let a "tourist let" rather than an normal commercial letting arrangement?

[Mike,Chislehurst]

I think it's safe to say that providing you have your application in with the camara then it's highly unlikely you will be fined. This is assuming the original foot print filed with the camara IE the original plan of the villa or apartment is still the same without any unofficial add ons. The new regulations IE the watered down version for villas and apartments was due to be published at the end of September but no news as yet! However it's expected that all gas will be banned including heating. It's also expected that wired in smoke detectors will also be dropped.

[Mexican Pete]

Quite an interesting post here: http://www.legalnews.blogspot.com/ Maybe it’s just wishful thinking, but I read it as meaning we may not need a licence (see under the 4 July’s post “Options”!) Our place is on VdM – an urbanização - and we let it ourselves without using any letting agents and also pay Portuguese tax on the rentals. The guy who writes this blog is, apparently, a qualified Portuguese lawyer.

Any thoughts very welcome!

[Scorpion]

Thanks pete - this goes some way to answering my question above. Our property is not on a tourist complex, just an apartment in a residential block so i will study this with interest. Mike

[martin]

half page article in this weeks "News" which is taken from front page headline

article has no definite answers apart from that representaions have been made about the farce .

I cant say that I am any the wiser

[Scorpion]

Agreed - picked up a copy in the arrivals hall on Saturday morning - but it hardly answers any of our basic questions.