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oh no!!!
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Ellie
old/new
Red--think you could well be right --about traditional laws preventing restoration---one of our carpenters& his wife bought a house in Lagoa via local council--but-- they were not allowed to sell it! If they wanted to move out/away--they would have to sell it back to the council! So there may indeed be many "laws" regarding this.
Perhaps Gambrinus or Steen could enlighten us, their having been resident there for long time
On the "Disappearing World " topic--I believe it was Petermeacham--showed us the old house he was renervating(he put photos on there)--take a look--very sturdy building and good to look at as well.
The comment about--Portuguese not having much lawn in their gardens--probably because they are more practical ---and grow things to eat 
Perhaps Gambrinus or Steen could enlighten us, their having been resident there for long time
On the "Disappearing World " topic--I believe it was Petermeacham--showed us the old house he was renervating(he put photos on there)--take a look--very sturdy building and good to look at as well.
The comment about--Portuguese not having much lawn in their gardens--probably because they are more practical ---and grow things to eat
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Guest
i am afraid that iny tim needs to get away from the little details...did you tt in your calculation use 3.4 " tube or 1.2" ..what settings have you allowed for the pessure switch on the bomba..what equipment did you allow for in your calculation rainbird..hunter...my point is that really all this detail is unnecessary...look at the bigger picture.
if the irrigation water was turned off at these golf courses or for that matter any of these super "green paradise" resorts ..like the one plaaned for a 1000 villas..how long would they last.. a week...10 days???'
or judging my your arguements...i suppose you will want to know the make and specifiation of my watch..
i am afraid tiny tim that you cannot see the grass for the grassblades
if the irrigation water was turned off at these golf courses or for that matter any of these super "green paradise" resorts ..like the one plaaned for a 1000 villas..how long would they last.. a week...10 days???'
or judging my your arguements...i suppose you will want to know the make and specifiation of my watch..
i am afraid tiny tim that you cannot see the grass for the grassblades
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pH 7.3
I don't get angry, I get even.pH 7.3 wrote:and when they get rattled....they get angry
Thats besides the point - this is not a purist debate, it is a very serious issue that has a lot of grey areas that have to be clarified. The research Tim described shows, that people are putting time and energy into preservation.
If preservation is not your concern, you may well find yourself running through acid rain sometime in the not-so-distant future, pH 7.3
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Ellie
water reserves
From my experience of living there p.h 7.3---the "powers that be" turn the water off any time they wish--you/I /whoever have no say in the matter!
why all this big defence of golf courses anyway--we can live without them--but not water
why all this big defence of golf courses anyway--we can live without them--but not water
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petermeachem
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Well remembered Ellie. I would hate to live near a golf course, they are just so bizarrely artificial. The point is not that the design (of the watering) is so clever but more that they are obviously using a lot more water that that piece of land would do otherwise even if it was used for 'native' agriculture like olives , oranges etc. I'm not so sure that they bring a huge amount of cash in either. Clearly the owner makes a bundle, but they aren't exactly labour intensive are they. One other thing I don't much like is that they are so self-contained. I get the impression that the participants spend nearly all the time actually on the course area, and don't look around the counryside, so they may well be bringing money in, but it all gets tipped down the same hole.
Bu the really dreadful thing about golf is clearly the clothes the golfers wear.
House progressing at a gentle pace, the builder put his back out and spent a considerable amount of time in bed. All better now, and some work might start soon. Well soonish.
Bu the really dreadful thing about golf is clearly the clothes the golfers wear.
House progressing at a gentle pace, the builder put his back out and spent a considerable amount of time in bed. All better now, and some work might start soon. Well soonish.
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Guest
for those lookig and buying at these golf courses may like to remenber that many many houses..including the 20 down our track under the control of silves camara have no mains water and have to rely either on water tankers from the fire service..45 euros for 9000 litres or boreholes ..which do run dry or go wrong or go salty...(all of which i know from bitter and costly experience)
a portuguese neigbour as a point of consideration said that when she was girl a cisterna of water would last three months..now it doesnt last two weeks...such is the modern life we have.
thus when i see plans for a 1000 villas in silves with a paradise around them..i wonder how this will happen
a portuguese neigbour as a point of consideration said that when she was girl a cisterna of water would last three months..now it doesnt last two weeks...such is the modern life we have.
thus when i see plans for a 1000 villas in silves with a paradise around them..i wonder how this will happen
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Guest
just been reading about a UN conference saying that they are concerned about desertification now affecting Portugal....i would like to know whether we will sonn have nice green tourist zones amoungst "sahara" like sand dunes here in the algarve..
as for using recyled water....only the golf course near a de pera uses this to my knowledge...i wonder how they get rid of the smell..perhaps thats why the course always seems empty!!!
as for using recyled water....only the golf course near a de pera uses this to my knowledge...i wonder how they get rid of the smell..perhaps thats why the course always seems empty!!!
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Ellie
Restoration
Good to hear from you Petermeacham----and wish you lots luck with renervation work--it looks a lovely spot youve chosen.
I worked as gardener on about half acre garden near Porches--lemons -orange-apple-pear -figs--almonds -olives---and even watering (on a daily basis ) in summertime--I didnt use nowhere near the amount thats said to be used keeping an equivalent piece of golf course going---and I forgot to add --there was a fair size lawn there too.
I dont begrudge people playing golf---but surely there are enough courses now. why cant the same amount of money-time and care be put into creating say---a nature reserve/ woodlands----to help put back something after the terrible destruction of the forest fires?
Or am I living in cuckoo land
I worked as gardener on about half acre garden near Porches--lemons -orange-apple-pear -figs--almonds -olives---and even watering (on a daily basis ) in summertime--I didnt use nowhere near the amount thats said to be used keeping an equivalent piece of golf course going---and I forgot to add --there was a fair size lawn there too.
I dont begrudge people playing golf---but surely there are enough courses now. why cant the same amount of money-time and care be put into creating say---a nature reserve/ woodlands----to help put back something after the terrible destruction of the forest fires?
Or am I living in cuckoo land
a portuguese neigbour as a point of consideration said that when she was girl a cisterna of water would last three months..now it doesnt last two weeks...such is the modern life we have.
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"Guest".... do they have indoor plumming these days, and where does that water come from?
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"Guest".... do they have indoor plumming these days, and where does that water come from?
[quote="Red"
Totally agree with you about renovating properties but could be traditional laws which are preventing this? Houses kept within families, left empty- instead of being sold can't be renovated resulting in demand for new build? Need a local expert on that one! And if there is such a demand why are so many properties, shops etc. still EMPTY with no sign of anyone having bought such as new buildings/apts on road into Cvo?[/quote]
Two valid points there Red.
Firstly, one traditional law, that I know of, that can result in properties being left empty is the law of inheritance. It’s quite unusual for the Portuguese to write a will because they, by law, can choose what they do with just 1/3 of their estate, the other 2/3 has to be divided up and the children get equal shares. Here’s an example of why there are so many derelict houses and no one can touch them: An old lady property owner dies in her 90s, she had 10 children all now in there 60s & 70s, not seen 2 of them for nearly 50 years. They all have to be accounted for, they all have an equal share in the property and they all have to agree what to do with it. Should one of them decide not to sell, the property is abandoned.
And secondly, unused new buildings; don’t think I know the ones you mention on the road to cvo. But I have heard of cases where things are built illegally so the builder has gone bust because he can’t sell them. And the council wants nothing to do with it. And the irony is, he “paid” for planning permission but the councillor he paid has since lost his job.
Totally agree with you about renovating properties but could be traditional laws which are preventing this? Houses kept within families, left empty- instead of being sold can't be renovated resulting in demand for new build? Need a local expert on that one! And if there is such a demand why are so many properties, shops etc. still EMPTY with no sign of anyone having bought such as new buildings/apts on road into Cvo?[/quote]
Two valid points there Red.
Firstly, one traditional law, that I know of, that can result in properties being left empty is the law of inheritance. It’s quite unusual for the Portuguese to write a will because they, by law, can choose what they do with just 1/3 of their estate, the other 2/3 has to be divided up and the children get equal shares. Here’s an example of why there are so many derelict houses and no one can touch them: An old lady property owner dies in her 90s, she had 10 children all now in there 60s & 70s, not seen 2 of them for nearly 50 years. They all have to be accounted for, they all have an equal share in the property and they all have to agree what to do with it. Should one of them decide not to sell, the property is abandoned.
And secondly, unused new buildings; don’t think I know the ones you mention on the road to cvo. But I have heard of cases where things are built illegally so the builder has gone bust because he can’t sell them. And the council wants nothing to do with it. And the irony is, he “paid” for planning permission but the councillor he paid has since lost his job.
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petermeachem
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The inheritance law is a major problem. At our escritura there were 6 owners. I've heard from various people of sales of old houses falling through as there were 70+ owners.
With the price of an Alentejo mud hut being so low they may end up being out of pocket by the time they have travelled to the escritura. I am pretty sure they all have to actually be there (I certainly did). Not sure what happens if you are too sick or something to travel.
With the price of an Alentejo mud hut being so low they may end up being out of pocket by the time they have travelled to the escritura. I am pretty sure they all have to actually be there (I certainly did). Not sure what happens if you are too sick or something to travel.