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NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOOD NEWS ??
Having spent a lot of time locking horns with numerous people over several subjects mentioned here, I would like to add my two penny's worth:
A lot of the problems on the older developments arose due to the way the permissions and procedures were enforced by the local authorities (a lot simply depends on their whim).
For example:
For an urbanisation to begin developing, the contractor had to put roads, lights and sewage in place before he begins constructing on the first plot. This did not really have to connect to anything, it just had to be there. Consequently, the roads were torn to shreds by subsequent years of construction activity. Sewage was not connected and the houses were all equipped with fossas instead.
Upon project completion, the ownership of these infrastructures is handed over to the Camera. From that point they are responsible for maintenance, repair, etc.
Carvoeiro Clube and Vale da Lapa are currently suffering from deteriorating roads, unkept communal areas and deficient public lighting. All these items are points to present to the Camera. Experience has shown me, that the Camera is more likely to build a new useless roundabout in Lagoa rather than take care of these problems.
The resulting decrease in the market value of each individual property is substancial.
It would be unfair to say that the Camera does not care at all.
The Camera has recently agreed with the EDP to replace public lighting in the urbanisations with a standardised new model. From the point they are replaced, the EDP is obliged to maintain said lights (including their circuits, fuseboxes, etc) at the Cameras expense. The result of this project can be seen in the Areias dos Moinhos and further afield also in the Algarve Clube Atlantico. The beach parking lot at Carvalho now has almost a dozen 4 meter tall, high yield light columns resulting in an iluminated field you could easily play tennis at 4am on.
If you asked me if these lamps are adequate for such an implementation I would say, that I have never felt so safe walking the streets at night, but then I would not be walking them if I could fall asleep in my now flourescent bedroom.
Public areas is another soft spot. Judging by the amount of sidewalks, parking lots and barren terrain, I would say the Camera does not really want to be burdened with creating good looking public areas (heaven forbid they may have to hire a few gardners).
The short-sightedness goes on....endlessly.
What I am trying to say is, that if there must be development, I welcome anybody who develops at a high standard and who is conscious of the sorroundings even after the project is concluded. That way it is a lot easier to take beautification and upkeep into our own hands and thus ensure that our properties and our town reaches and maintains the highest possible standard.
Every buyer should sit down with his neighbours and discuss these items from day one. A houseowner's association is a must for every urbanisation that does not have a central maintenance. As a governing body representing the owners, such an association can manage and coordinate the upkeep of the communal areas of the urbanisation, address and resolve security issues, seek legal advice on comunal matters or even step directly up to the Camera and request they do their part.
One or two houseowners might as well try and talk to the Pope, but when a whole urbanisations steps up to town council with a coordinated plan, it becomes very difficult to ignore.
I am sure a lot of the houseowners on Carvoeiro Club have resigned themselves to buying a jeep so that they can make it home without breaking an axle, but I am also convinced that there is a lot that can be achieved if you start talking to each other. It will take ages before you get a majority of the houseowners on board, but taking the iniciative is the first step towards getting that place sorted out. It does mean that brits and germans will have to somehow get along - I know its tough, what with the sunloungers being reserved and all, but its the only way to get ahead.
A lot of the problems on the older developments arose due to the way the permissions and procedures were enforced by the local authorities (a lot simply depends on their whim).
For example:
For an urbanisation to begin developing, the contractor had to put roads, lights and sewage in place before he begins constructing on the first plot. This did not really have to connect to anything, it just had to be there. Consequently, the roads were torn to shreds by subsequent years of construction activity. Sewage was not connected and the houses were all equipped with fossas instead.
Upon project completion, the ownership of these infrastructures is handed over to the Camera. From that point they are responsible for maintenance, repair, etc.
Carvoeiro Clube and Vale da Lapa are currently suffering from deteriorating roads, unkept communal areas and deficient public lighting. All these items are points to present to the Camera. Experience has shown me, that the Camera is more likely to build a new useless roundabout in Lagoa rather than take care of these problems.
The resulting decrease in the market value of each individual property is substancial.
It would be unfair to say that the Camera does not care at all.
The Camera has recently agreed with the EDP to replace public lighting in the urbanisations with a standardised new model. From the point they are replaced, the EDP is obliged to maintain said lights (including their circuits, fuseboxes, etc) at the Cameras expense. The result of this project can be seen in the Areias dos Moinhos and further afield also in the Algarve Clube Atlantico. The beach parking lot at Carvalho now has almost a dozen 4 meter tall, high yield light columns resulting in an iluminated field you could easily play tennis at 4am on.
If you asked me if these lamps are adequate for such an implementation I would say, that I have never felt so safe walking the streets at night, but then I would not be walking them if I could fall asleep in my now flourescent bedroom.
Public areas is another soft spot. Judging by the amount of sidewalks, parking lots and barren terrain, I would say the Camera does not really want to be burdened with creating good looking public areas (heaven forbid they may have to hire a few gardners).
The short-sightedness goes on....endlessly.
What I am trying to say is, that if there must be development, I welcome anybody who develops at a high standard and who is conscious of the sorroundings even after the project is concluded. That way it is a lot easier to take beautification and upkeep into our own hands and thus ensure that our properties and our town reaches and maintains the highest possible standard.
Every buyer should sit down with his neighbours and discuss these items from day one. A houseowner's association is a must for every urbanisation that does not have a central maintenance. As a governing body representing the owners, such an association can manage and coordinate the upkeep of the communal areas of the urbanisation, address and resolve security issues, seek legal advice on comunal matters or even step directly up to the Camera and request they do their part.
One or two houseowners might as well try and talk to the Pope, but when a whole urbanisations steps up to town council with a coordinated plan, it becomes very difficult to ignore.
I am sure a lot of the houseowners on Carvoeiro Club have resigned themselves to buying a jeep so that they can make it home without breaking an axle, but I am also convinced that there is a lot that can be achieved if you start talking to each other. It will take ages before you get a majority of the houseowners on board, but taking the iniciative is the first step towards getting that place sorted out. It does mean that brits and germans will have to somehow get along - I know its tough, what with the sunloungers being reserved and all, but its the only way to get ahead.
Recently watched a plot being cleared ( not ours ).
Apart form the usual rubbish two large vans had been abandoned on it.
The builder had tried to contact the owner, left notes etc.
All he could do was to attach a rope to them and tow them off theland in question moving them to the adjacent un -cleared plot.
There are sanctions that could be applied but little evidence that they ever are.
Clearly this is one of the benefits of " pestana type developments " in that security etc prevents this happening.
Also why did the neighbours do nothing about it ??
Apart form the usual rubbish two large vans had been abandoned on it.
The builder had tried to contact the owner, left notes etc.
All he could do was to attach a rope to them and tow them off theland in question moving them to the adjacent un -cleared plot.
There are sanctions that could be applied but little evidence that they ever are.
Clearly this is one of the benefits of " pestana type developments " in that security etc prevents this happening.
Also why did the neighbours do nothing about it ??
Yep G. United we stand, divided we fall.Gambrinus wrote:One or two houseowners might as well try and talk to the Pope, but when a whole urbanisations steps up to town council with a coordinated plan, it becomes very difficult to ignore...I am also convinced that there is a lot that can be achieved if you start talking to each other. It will take ages before you get a majority of the houseowners on board, but taking the iniciative is the first step towards getting that place sorted out. It does mean that brits and germans will have to somehow get along - I know its tough, what with the sunloungers being reserved and all, but its the only way to get ahead.
I too wish more people would talk to each other here and swop ideas, discuss problems and get together. I hear so many people complaining about various things that have happened to them etc etc but they do nothing about it or worse can't seem to do anything about it. A lot of guests post on here about matters I would really like to know more about or even to try to help them with but they disappear into the night. I think we all need to think of ways forward in this respect.
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denniscash
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This Resort is New in Carvoeiro, there is no website for it specifically only the sales office with information of the project. but here is an equivalent project that is allready in action like tbbr said. by the same developer Imocom Group. Here is the website http://www.ascascatas.com doesnt it look nice, imagine this kind of project in Carvoeiro. It will definately put the area up to a higher standard.tricky wrote:Anybody know the name of the new development nr Quinta De Pariso that tbbr is refering to? or a website address?
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denniscash
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its always a problem with the local camaras, until something gets approved or changed, it can take years..and then it doesnt even get completed.. roads is an excellent example.Gambrinus wrote:Having spent a lot of time locking horns with numerous people over several subjects mentioned here, I would like to add my two penny's worth:
A lot of the problems on the older developments arose due to the way the permissions and procedures were enforced by the local authorities (a lot simply depends on their whim).
For example:
For an urbanisation to begin developing, the contractor had to put roads, lights and sewage in place before he begins constructing on the first plot. This did not really have to connect to anything, it just had to be there. Consequently, the roads were torn to shreds by subsequent years of construction activity. Sewage was not connected and the houses were all equipped with fossas instead.
Upon project completion, the ownership of these infrastructures is handed over to the Camera. From that point they are responsible for maintenance, repair, etc.
Carvoeiro Clube and Vale da Lapa are currently suffering from deteriorating roads, unkept communal areas and deficient public lighting. All these items are points to present to the Camera. Experience has shown me, that the Camera is more likely to build a new useless roundabout in Lagoa rather than take care of these problems.
The resulting decrease in the market value of each individual property is substancial.
It would be unfair to say that the Camera does not care at all.
The Camera has recently agreed with the EDP to replace public lighting in the urbanisations with a standardised new model. From the point they are replaced, the EDP is obliged to maintain said lights (including their circuits, fuseboxes, etc) at the Cameras expense. The result of this project can be seen in the Areias dos Moinhos and further afield also in the Algarve Clube Atlantico. The beach parking lot at Carvalho now has almost a dozen 4 meter tall, high yield light columns resulting in an iluminated field you could easily play tennis at 4am on.
If you asked me if these lamps are adequate for such an implementation I would say, that I have never felt so safe walking the streets at night, but then I would not be walking them if I could fall asleep in my now flourescent bedroom.
Public areas is another soft spot. Judging by the amount of sidewalks, parking lots and barren terrain, I would say the Camera does not really want to be burdened with creating good looking public areas (heaven forbid they may have to hire a few gardners).
The short-sightedness goes on....endlessly.
What I am trying to say is, that if there must be development, I welcome anybody who develops at a high standard and who is conscious of the sorroundings even after the project is concluded. That way it is a lot easier to take beautification and upkeep into our own hands and thus ensure that our properties and our town reaches and maintains the highest possible standard.
Every buyer should sit down with his neighbours and discuss these items from day one. A houseowner's association is a must for every urbanisation that does not have a central maintenance. As a governing body representing the owners, such an association can manage and coordinate the upkeep of the communal areas of the urbanisation, address and resolve security issues, seek legal advice on comunal matters or even step directly up to the Camera and request they do their part.
One or two houseowners might as well try and talk to the Pope, but when a whole urbanisations steps up to town council with a coordinated plan, it becomes very difficult to ignore.
I am sure a lot of the houseowners on Carvoeiro Club have resigned themselves to buying a jeep so that they can make it home without breaking an axle, but I am also convinced that there is a lot that can be achieved if you start talking to each other. It will take ages before you get a majority of the houseowners on board, but taking the iniciative is the first step towards getting that place sorted out. It does mean that brits and germans will have to somehow get along - I know its tough, what with the sunloungers being reserved and all, but its the only way to get ahead.
so much money is spent for road constructions, and yet there are still in poor condition. The trucks and bulldozers are the main destructors of the roads, as well as poor material thats used for roads..
Really a shame, people cant drive good cars on that roads...
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Disneyland We drove round those monstrosities they're putting up in Vilamoura and a lot of them reminded us of the prisons they are throwing up in UK and we all commented on them as looking as slums of the future 
Some people certainly have more money than sense and there's no accounting for taste 
And most of the property developers and lawyers around our way are all criminals and we don't doubt that most of the development going on in Portugal now is through dirty money - no doubt with somebodys blood on it from drugs etc.
We drove round those monstrosities they're putting up in Vilamoura and a lot of them reminded us of the prisons they are throwing up in UK and we all commented on them as looking as slums of the future Some people certainly have more money than sense and there's no accounting for taste And most of the property developers and lawyers around our way are all criminals and we don't doubt that most of the development going on in Portugal now is through dirty money - no doubt with somebodys blood on it from drugs etc. -
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No its not Disneyland, its the future architecture, if you follow Architecual Digest... Thats Vilamoura style buildings anyways, and its first Hilton Hotel in Portugal, Hilton always wanted to look different, so there they go..and it looks in fact better than the Moorish type properties built in Algarve, thats my opinion anyways.Anonymous wrote:It looks a complete nightmare. What is it Disney land or something.denniscash wrote:imagine this kind of project in Carvoeiro. It will definately put the area up to a higher standard.