NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOOD NEWS ??

[nightrider]

[quote="widge"]I am concerned that all these individual developments never seem to get completed so that the roads, pavements and the appearance of the neighbourhood looks finished BEFORE they move onto the next one.

Widge and Brux,

Could not agree with you more. Dare I say that I thought that the health and safety and respective departments etc had to put their seal of approval on. The seal of approval to include I am told, the completion of all the infrastructures before things like habitation licences can be gained. Silly me, I forgot for a moment where I was

One such project quite near to us was erected high on a hill and it would appear obtained a habitation licence However, one slight problem....god for bid if there was ever a fire...WHY.....because the fire engine would be unable to make the steep climb

[tbbr]

Things are changing. we have been told of projects nr Loule which have been refused due to the lack of nearby water hydrants.

Have been told to check this out before we make any firm decisions.

[widge]

Thanks tbbr but that isn't the point i'm making. The discussion is about the price of new developments around CVO. I don't think that people will pay "top dollar" if these developments remain incomplete for years as is so often the case in my experience.

[Guest]

Thanks tbbr but that isn't the point i'm making. The discussion is about the price of new developments around CVO. I don't think that people will pay "top dollar" if these developments remain incomplete for years as is so often the case in my experience.

Widge,
I totally agree with what your saying.

However, you, I and those of us who live out here will know only to well that even when warned to be careful, there is always some poor sucker who will purchase in such a way and that sadly is a fact of life.

TBBR
You seem to know an awful lot about various properties/projects etc. Therefore, one can only conclude that you are doing your homework
but as Widge and others say on this forum, which I am quite sure also includes yourself. Anyone who would consider parting with any money on an unfinished property and more so the inferstructures well.......... "Hello is there a light on in there".

Someone very close to me spends nearly every waking hour, with people contacting her for assistance with various problems that they have got themselves into and what I find more disturbing sometimes by people who have been sensible (they thought) using so called professionals.

[nightrider]

Thanks tbbr but that isn't the point i'm making. The discussion is about the price of new developments around CVO. I don't think that people will pay "top dollar" if these developments remain incomplete for years as is so often the case in my experience.

Widge,
I totally agree with what your saying.

Sorry forgot to log in. Nightrider

[tbbr]

Of course I am in no position to dispute the comments/claims/reports etc that indicate that buying property can be a real minefield.
I do know that for ours it was not and that we hope the next one will be just as trouble free.

However why is it if Portugal is such a nightmare that we NEVER read anything of this back here in the UK.

I cannot recall anything in the press or media remotely close to the comments raised about Spain or other places. N Cyprus etc.

The only report about the algarve was a couple of years ago on one of those exposure programs about a couple who woke up one day to find themselves in the middle of a new development Nr Alcantahilla.
The reporter then visted the developer who promised to put everything right.

If things are that bad then surely those who have been caught out have an obligation to propsective buyers to make the facts Known ??

How about a Name and Shame page on the Forum ???

[nightrider]

Widge

Re: The Carvela Site situated on the left hand side of the road
from Silves to Algoz. (Near Alcantariliha Station)

Sometime ago Isobal Soares, President of Silves Camara was interviewed by the BBC. The interview coming about because an English couple's home had been left hanging on the side of a hill. Why because the developer had removed several acres of earth inclusive of hilly terrain and then disappeared. Ms Soares confirmed to the BBC that there had been a small problem with the planning details (the project being several villas all marked out on the ground) and no doubt to accommodate the new projects for 2 new golf courses opposite. Ms Soares gave the impression that the project would be restarting within 2 weeks. However, 2 years later the area still looks a mess and not only the site but also the surrounding country lanes and no doubt the English couple's spoiled enjoyment of their home continues. I am but not

[nightrider]

[quote="tbbr"]Of course I am in no position to dispute the comments/claims/reports etc that indicate that buying property can be a real minefield.

TBBR,
In principal your suggestion is reasonable. But if you will forgive me you are trying to install a Uk system here in the "Algarve" and with all the will in the world if you succeed were all else have failed trying, then your a better man/woman that I am Gungadin.

[tbbr]

I have always like a challenge but I think that even I can recognise when a task is too big.

My view after reading the forum now for some months is that there are a lot of opinions but few real examples of what does go wrong.

Without getting involved in the risk of legal or other disputes perhaps a few factual reports would benefit those like me who still have yet to run into the problems so frequently referred to ( but not in detail ) by others with much more experience..

[Bruxinha]

I may have to go offline soon, as a big thunderstorm seems to be heading our way and I don't want our line to blow up. Rain...glorious rain...could it finally descend??

But I am going to consider some examples of things that could go wrong that I could write about in a way that doesn't slander anyone. G or Kteee will wipe it otherwise. So, watch this space...

Note what I said above though that the two main reasons people don't bother to complain or discuss their problems is embarrassment of being duped and having been in some way party to things themselves e.g. tax evading/money laundering.

[widge]

Nightrider has a very good point re. Health and safety and Habitation licences. I still believe that market forces dictate the movement in prices and the speed at which new developments are completed and sold. However, all property buyers in the Algarve, particularly locals, have a right to expect the authorities to enforce the basic H & S regulations and planning and building regulations. This is what we pay them to do, and we should expect them to protect property buyers and existing owners accordingly.
Does anybody know if there is a formal complaints procedure or planning ombudsman or similar?[/quote]

[tbbr]

HEALTH and SAFETY is a concept alien to most of europe, including, Holland, Germany, FRance, Belgium countries where I have visited various manufacturing plants.

When it comes to the building industry do,nt even go there, ( which is why they employ huge numbers lof low cost labour ( as does the UK now ).

Its easy to assume that the same stds we are used to will be applied elswhere " dream on !!

[denniscash]

TBBR, I really hope you are not interested in these apartments for 380k ! That is absolutely extortionate for a 2 & 2 that far out of Carvoeiro, considering also that possibly 80 apts will share one pool ! Check that you own part of that pool if you are going to commit suicide and buy at that price. For that they will obviously be sending transport for you to come to the office. (A Roller methinks).

Hi freddie, before you make any comments, check the site yourself.. there will be around 10 swimming pools!! where 54 townhouses will share 5 of them making it, 1 swimming pool per roughly 11 apartments..thats more than enough...and the prices are just starting...from 314,000 euros and the apartments are 110 m2 large, so its actually bigger than any average T2 in Carvoeiro area.

[denniscash]

well one fellow said that there are now 30000 apartments for sale...so you have plenty of choice..but if you buy at this price---well amazing!!...suggest you visit your shrink quickly ..methinks the tablets have stopped working

another unresearched comment, check the prices for golden club carvoeiro...and they dont have any facilities at all...the prices for this resort will rise for sure once they will finish up the construction, by good 20 % and the properties around it aswell..looking at the fact that it will be a 5star resort, the only good thing in that area that i can think of is Pestana, but its a completely different product..more for the golfers..

[denniscash]

Those are all good points guys, but the main concerns in Carvoeiro is the beach! there is only 1 small beach to share for all, thats the only big minus in Carvoeiro, otherwise this place would look like another big city on the coast..where as health and safety is the question, you can forget about those things in Portugal.. by statistics, Firebrigade, Police, ambulance, come 2.5 times slower than in any other country in Europe. the issue is because of the addresses and the access to the places..

"Safety" another good thing about some developments is that they are closed condominiums areas. meaning, in some resorts there is total surveillance and security which is a big plus for carvoeiro area.

there are rediculous thefts happening around carvoeiro, i mean they are even stealing pots of plants from gardens!! isnt that rediculous...

anyways, so much for the topic, please feel free to comment..

tks