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cowboy · Post by **cowboy** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:11 am

So you have your Bars and restaurants ..why Oh Why cant we put manufacturing and R & D in Portugal.....why do you only know of Tourists....

Intersting questions, Guest.

.why do you only know of Tourists..

Catering to tourists has a relativly low initial investestment and, up to a point, very little upgrades of the existing infarastructure.
An added benifit is that the local workforce requires only a basic education.

R & D, on the other hand requires a highly educated local work force.
(unless, of course, they import thier workers from the outside, and even then there will be strains on local infrarastructure)

Manufacturing, however, also requires an educated work force (less than R&D, but more than bars and restaurants), and will put a heavy load on the infrarastructure.
(after all, you have to transport all the raw materials into the factory....and transport the finished product out)

Does Portugal have an infrarastructure, or an educated work force, in place that can deal with those problems.....much less a Government that would facilitate it in the first place?

It seems the only thing Portugal is good for, from an investment point of view, is golf courses and villas.

he Portuguese couldnt even process a piece of paper...in a logical way.......IT also am back in UK.....wanted to live and invest in Portugal.....tried and gave up..went back to UK in 2003........I now employ over 100 people ...Portugal lost out........

Does seem that way doesn't it.

cowboy · Post by **cowboy** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:19 am

Of course, without water, everything is a moot point.

No water...no nothing.

(well, lizzards and sand dunes... but they don't give a good return for the investment... although I've been told that lizzards can be quite tasty, if prepared correctly, so there might be an investment opportunity there)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:54 am

what type of manufacturing you're talking about?

is it pollutant, or bad for the ambient? if it is i agree with the portuguese government, if not, then something's wrong.

isn't nice to go on a smog free holliday ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:00 am

OH the agony.......I wasnt thinking of your sun tan on the beach.I was thinking of the local population that need work to feed the Family.....If you had seen the Chinese 30 years ago...Education..Zilch..( The masses)....

There are thousands of industries without pollution .......

PPic · Post by **PPic** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:06 am

Visited the Mitsubishi Canter (now FUSO) factory between Lisbon and
Porto last October They produce around 12 trucks aday All components are shipped in from Japan and the trucks are only assembled (not built from scratch) The production line is very dated around about 50 years out of date. They where fitting road springs with one man on a sledge hammer and another man bending his back into a crowbar around 2metres long. Nothing like the modern MercedesTruck factory that I visited over 20 years ago. (if the portugese had seen that, they would think they where on the starship enterprise)
But the Canter factory was very picturesque (citrus and palm trees)
(It rained boy did it rain)

B2D · Post by **B2D** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:34 pm

Main article in G2 of the guardian today - all about the water shortages in Southern Europe... mainly focusing on spain - but a big picture of a fire in Albagaria a Velha up North. Quite a lot of mention of the dreaded golf courses (oh god now I've said it....

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Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:14 pm

yes let them mention them ..the more people realise what water they use the more will people will stop the insanity of more being built in the algarve.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:20 pm

can you give us the link..tried looking but couldnt find it in the guardian

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:58 am

hey guest it's very simply portugal is divided between south and north, north is where all the industry is based, south is a holliday resort, i bet if any of you tried to open your so called highlly profitable bussines in the north you'll probably succeed, the last thing portuguese government wants to do is spoill all them lovelly beaches with poluition

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:02 am

my sun tan on the beach costs me money, the last thing i wanna do is go to a polluted country on my holiday, and the money i spend in restaurants, bars , supermarkets, shops etc... help those people to survive doesn't it?

digger · Post by **digger** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:26 pm

Anonymous wrote:can you give us the link..tried looking but couldnt find it in the guardian

could this be it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article ... e_continue

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:06 pm

yes it is...i do hope THOSE WHO PLAY GOLF READ IT!!!!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:35 pm

No Guest you are not correct in my opinion.....many inward investors of non ( Read Miniscule) polluting industry have tried to invest millions here in the South.they have mainly left in disgust after facing all the Red tape and labour laws....I myself run a business..I was to expand ..I intended to invest a lot more money...and employ at least 30 people.....I spent over 18 months fighting the local beaurocracy.......I moved production to the new eastern Block....Tax holiday and Welcome arms open.....(Just like I did in China 30 years ago) ..I now produce there and gave up here.......yes you can still come and get a nice sun tan..The 30 people I was to employ ??..Most still have either no job or are on the breadline.......Government have to pay social security ...Money.
But yes .Tourism is very important.....there is nothing else......and never will be as long as people like you care of nothing else but your wish of a so called non polluted environment....whats better...a little industrial smoke or the population really on the breadline...but you from ..?? Skegness ??---can come here and Breath the Air...???

pm · Post by pm » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:03 am

The last bloke.

Would you mind giving it a rest. Nobody has a clue who you are except that you always post the same thing. Doesn't matter what the question is. The answer is always you bleating on about how awful things are in Portugal and how wonderful they are in Bulgaria/China/Mars or whereever people are willing to work for 2p a year to make whatever poisonous crap you produce (made the last bit up). Labour laws eh? Like pay and not dying at work. Must make it very tricky for you.
Any road up, I for one am tired of reading the same old post, so why don't you just forget about your woes, think how much money the Bulgarians/Chinese/Martians are making for you and think of something else to say.

elle · Post by **elle** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:19 am

Thanx Peter ..you're at least sending me to bed with a smile on my face now..and I particularly liked the 'Martian' bit!

...
Hey guest..wots wrong with our Skeggie?....
it was recently voted the best place in UK to retire....
and the air is very bracing..it comes straight across to us from...... the Urals (

I think...)

!
boa noite each