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DANGEROUS ALSATION - WARNING
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GuestE
DANGEROUS ALSATION - WARNING
Last Friday (25/3) my partner and her friend took our 7 month old puppy out for a walk. Part of the route was along the Vale do Milho Road, which when travelling downhill, you reach a T-junction, then left for Julio's and Pedra Grande and right for Carvoeiro Town. On the Vale do Milho Road is a residence, Casa do Milho, which houses an extremely vicious and irksome alsation which has barked loudly at us each and every time I have passed it, bearing it's teeth and really looking as if it wants to have you for dinner.
On this occasion, somebody was exiting the gates, with nobody supervising this dog. The dog escaped and went straight for our pup, whereupon all my partner could do was throw the poor little thing over a bush row so the alsation couldn't get at it, or so she thought. In a split second a voice was heard from Casa do Milho calling a name (supposedly the dog's), and the snarling dog reluctantly retreated. My partner then retrieved our pup from over the bush, with some difficulty.
Although very shaken, she then shouted over to owner of Casa do Milho, "you ought to keep your dog under control". This was greeted by a smug quietness from what we now know as the German owner. A youngster of around 10 years of age (probably the son), then piped up "my dog might get out in another place if you are not careful" in his German accent.
Just a warning to anyone who goes past this house while their gates are open - Beware of this eating machine getting out, especially if you have an animal with you. If he does, there may be some serious damage done. My partner and her friend were extremely lucky on this occasion, others may not be. What really eats me inside is that this German gentleman didn't give a damn, neither did the little clone of his son. It's the humans I blame not the dog.
Anyone else ever had a problem here ?
Peter
On this occasion, somebody was exiting the gates, with nobody supervising this dog. The dog escaped and went straight for our pup, whereupon all my partner could do was throw the poor little thing over a bush row so the alsation couldn't get at it, or so she thought. In a split second a voice was heard from Casa do Milho calling a name (supposedly the dog's), and the snarling dog reluctantly retreated. My partner then retrieved our pup from over the bush, with some difficulty.
Although very shaken, she then shouted over to owner of Casa do Milho, "you ought to keep your dog under control". This was greeted by a smug quietness from what we now know as the German owner. A youngster of around 10 years of age (probably the son), then piped up "my dog might get out in another place if you are not careful" in his German accent.
Just a warning to anyone who goes past this house while their gates are open - Beware of this eating machine getting out, especially if you have an animal with you. If he does, there may be some serious damage done. My partner and her friend were extremely lucky on this occasion, others may not be. What really eats me inside is that this German gentleman didn't give a damn, neither did the little clone of his son. It's the humans I blame not the dog.
Anyone else ever had a problem here ?
Peter
My wife has had the same problem with a doberman which regularly escapes and roams the streets around Boa Vista.
She phoned the Camara and was told to ask for the canil dept. who deal with this sort of problem - unfortunately the camara vet is away on holiday until April - but we are assured he will see to this on his return. She was also told that these large dogs must only be out on a leash and should always wear a muzzle by law.
Perhaps if more people phone this dept. 282 380 400 and complain, then something might be done about this problem.
She phoned the Camara and was told to ask for the canil dept. who deal with this sort of problem - unfortunately the camara vet is away on holiday until April - but we are assured he will see to this on his return. She was also told that these large dogs must only be out on a leash and should always wear a muzzle by law.
Perhaps if more people phone this dept. 282 380 400 and complain, then something might be done about this problem.
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Hi Peter, where exactly are referring to. If the villa is near to El Paso & Vale Do Milho restaurants, I think we have had the same problems. Can't remember the name of the villa though. Dave.
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Dr Jekyl
We have been taking a villa in Val de Milho for years now, and I think I know the dog you are talking about. As somebody who has had dogs for about 30 years can I make the following comments.
How do you know that the alsation is vicious and erksome if it has always been behind the gate? Baring it's teeth and barking could be that it is protecting it's property, and this is natural and to be applauded. It took me many years to learn how to teach my labradors to do this.
On the day in question when the dog 'escaped' it retreated when commanded to by it's owner. I think this indicates that the German Shepherd is indeed well trained and under control. Your partner had to 'throw your pup over a bush'. Was your dog on a lead? If not why not? Was your partner in control of the pup? From the dialogue that ensued it seems to me that indeed perhaps the owners of the shepherd were not as well trained as the dog, and that is a totally different issue, but to refer to the dog as an 'eating machine' verges on the hysterical, though actually on reflection all dogs are eating machines
How do you know that the alsation is vicious and erksome if it has always been behind the gate? Baring it's teeth and barking could be that it is protecting it's property, and this is natural and to be applauded. It took me many years to learn how to teach my labradors to do this.
On the day in question when the dog 'escaped' it retreated when commanded to by it's owner. I think this indicates that the German Shepherd is indeed well trained and under control. Your partner had to 'throw your pup over a bush'. Was your dog on a lead? If not why not? Was your partner in control of the pup? From the dialogue that ensued it seems to me that indeed perhaps the owners of the shepherd were not as well trained as the dog, and that is a totally different issue, but to refer to the dog as an 'eating machine' verges on the hysterical, though actually on reflection all dogs are eating machines
A big dog running after a little dog does not seem like anything out of the ordinary to me either. If the dog came to a halt at the sound of his master's voice you should be happy that there are people who train their dogs - not something you could expect from most portuguese dog owners who usually keep their dogs on a short chain for the best part of their lives. They then wonder why the inevitably paranoid dog turns around and takes a chunk out of granny's leg for no apparent reason. 
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My ex boyfriend and I were walking on the cliffs between Praia do Paraiso and Ferragudo. We walked past a property which has 2 alsatians and as we rounded the corner, we could see them barking and attacking something. We both thought it was a rabbit but as we got closer we saw that it was a smaller dog.
My ex managed to get the dogs away from it and went to get some help and i stayed on the other side of the fence talking to the dog.
He wasn't moving his back legs and I thought that the dogs had broken his spine.
After about 20 minutes, he suddenly got up with great difficulty and managed to get over to me and a lady who had walked over and waited with me and under the fence.
His legs were fine but he'd been bitten on the back and was covered in mud and alsatian drool.
When my ex came back i wanted to get him back to my place but the little dog had other ideas. He started walking in the direction we'd come from so we followed him and he walked all the way back to his house making sure we were following him.
My ex spoke to the owner and told him what had happened and hopefully the little dog will be fine.
I'm just glad that we happened to be walking that way and managed to save the little dog from what looked to be a certain death.
My ex managed to get the dogs away from it and went to get some help and i stayed on the other side of the fence talking to the dog.
He wasn't moving his back legs and I thought that the dogs had broken his spine.
After about 20 minutes, he suddenly got up with great difficulty and managed to get over to me and a lady who had walked over and waited with me and under the fence.
His legs were fine but he'd been bitten on the back and was covered in mud and alsatian drool.
When my ex came back i wanted to get him back to my place but the little dog had other ideas. He started walking in the direction we'd come from so we followed him and he walked all the way back to his house making sure we were following him.
My ex spoke to the owner and told him what had happened and hopefully the little dog will be fine.
I'm just glad that we happened to be walking that way and managed to save the little dog from what looked to be a certain death.
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GuestE
DANGEROUS ALSATION - WARNING
Just to answer a few questions........
To djprescott: Not very knowledgable about that specific area Dave but if you are coming out of Carvoeiro on the road up to Rocha Brava, it is the turning left just before Julios Restaurant. About 300 or so metres up there is the Villa.
To Dr Jekyl: What a pathetic reply from a person who has no realistic idea of what happened on that day - You can't have any idea or you wouldn't have replied the way you did. It took you years of training to get your labradors to do this snarling bit - Well you must have a very small penis. Yes my partner had to throw our pup over a bush to save it's life and YES it was on the end of a lead ! Yes she was in full control of it !When retrieving it, we had to lift it up by it's neck, the only way we could do it. "Verges on the hysterical" you put - I'd have loved to seen you cower in the corner with this thing coming at you, just loved to. You seem to be having a laugh at all this with your inane comments. You miss the point completely, I actually stated that it wasn't the dog's fault, it was the idiot human who irresponsibly let it out knowing it's strength and voracity.
Gambrinus: Not even worth answering really. "If the dog came to a halt at the sound of his master's voice you should be happy that there are people who train their dogs........." My partner of course was ecstatic after being given a heart attack. Go back to bed Gambrinus you are truly pathetic.
This post was meant to warn people about a hazard I believe exists. I have done this, and I have it off my chest. To get posts like Jekyl's and Gambrinus' makes me think that with people like you around, I have a great chance in life.
Peter
To djprescott: Not very knowledgable about that specific area Dave but if you are coming out of Carvoeiro on the road up to Rocha Brava, it is the turning left just before Julios Restaurant. About 300 or so metres up there is the Villa.
To Dr Jekyl: What a pathetic reply from a person who has no realistic idea of what happened on that day - You can't have any idea or you wouldn't have replied the way you did. It took you years of training to get your labradors to do this snarling bit - Well you must have a very small penis. Yes my partner had to throw our pup over a bush to save it's life and YES it was on the end of a lead ! Yes she was in full control of it !When retrieving it, we had to lift it up by it's neck, the only way we could do it. "Verges on the hysterical" you put - I'd have loved to seen you cower in the corner with this thing coming at you, just loved to. You seem to be having a laugh at all this with your inane comments. You miss the point completely, I actually stated that it wasn't the dog's fault, it was the idiot human who irresponsibly let it out knowing it's strength and voracity.
Gambrinus: Not even worth answering really. "If the dog came to a halt at the sound of his master's voice you should be happy that there are people who train their dogs........." My partner of course was ecstatic after being given a heart attack. Go back to bed Gambrinus you are truly pathetic.
This post was meant to warn people about a hazard I believe exists. I have done this, and I have it off my chest. To get posts like Jekyl's and Gambrinus' makes me think that with people like you around, I have a great chance in life.
Peter
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elle
I have to say that I thought 'Dr Jekylls ' post was somewhat unsympathetic!
I say this as someone who is a bit scared of large dogs....Particularly Alsations..Rottwiellers etc...
and I sympathise with Peter's wife..I would have been terrified Im sure
Why dont these owners keep these large dogs inside their closed gates..after all Im presuming they have them mainly to protect their property..and not to scare the living daylights out of innocent passers by?
Imagine if Peter's wife had had a small child with her?
Wish owners would be more responsible!
I have to walk past a house to my work in next village.....theyve recently aquired 2 huge black dogs ..dont know breed...but as soon as anyone approaches theyre up at the 5 bar gate snarling & barking..their heads thru the gate...first time it happened to me...
It startled me so much..I stepped out in road,narrowly being missed by a car.......
Animals should be kept under control..not dogs fault..irresponsible owners!
I say this as someone who is a bit scared of large dogs....Particularly Alsations..Rottwiellers etc...
and I sympathise with Peter's wife..I would have been terrified Im sure
Why dont these owners keep these large dogs inside their closed gates..after all Im presuming they have them mainly to protect their property..and not to scare the living daylights out of innocent passers by?
Imagine if Peter's wife had had a small child with her?
Wish owners would be more responsible!
I have to walk past a house to my work in next village.....theyve recently aquired 2 huge black dogs ..dont know breed...but as soon as anyone approaches theyre up at the 5 bar gate snarling & barking..their heads thru the gate...first time it happened to me...
It startled me so much..I stepped out in road,narrowly being missed by a car.......
Animals should be kept under control..not dogs fault..irresponsible owners!
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SHOWWWY
I'd say GuestE has every reason to be angry.
As the owner of a border terrier that has somehow survived for 17 years (!), I can attest to the many times I have had the same kind of attack of adrenalin and distress as unleashed big dogs - sometimes in pairs or threes - have attacked our (always leashed) terrier out of the blue from behind fences etc.
Smarten up big dog owners. Your pets are prone to attacking smaller animals - especially when they are trained to "guard" you and your property.
I have left instructions with my wife not to hesitate to sue your ass off if I perish of a heart attack after one of these episodes!
As the owner of a border terrier that has somehow survived for 17 years (!), I can attest to the many times I have had the same kind of attack of adrenalin and distress as unleashed big dogs - sometimes in pairs or threes - have attacked our (always leashed) terrier out of the blue from behind fences etc.
Smarten up big dog owners. Your pets are prone to attacking smaller animals - especially when they are trained to "guard" you and your property.
I have left instructions with my wife not to hesitate to sue your ass off if I perish of a heart attack after one of these episodes!
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elle
But Digger.....I thought the 'Dangerous dogs act' was 'European law'?..'
whereby any dogs likely to be vicious and attack people ..by law should be tethered/muzzled?
I thought this was also brought about ..because of the risk of rabies..which I believe is still prevalent in France & Portugal?
Don't know if Im correct?
whereby any dogs likely to be vicious and attack people ..by law should be tethered/muzzled?
I thought this was also brought about ..because of the risk of rabies..which I believe is still prevalent in France & Portugal?
Don't know if Im correct?
Peter,
Maybe that came accross wrong - let me simplify:
You ran in to the 1 out of 10 dog that is trained enough to refrain from tearing your pup to shreds if his master tells it to.
The other 9 portuguese dogs would probably not have given up unless you pelted them with rocks.
I visited the dutch people who live in that house you talk about. When I arrived the dog came belting for the gate. Like in your case, it took two sharp words from the owner for the dog to stand down and go to its kennel.
That dog is very much under control and the fact that it nearly gave you a heart attack is no reason to go slating the poor animal and its owner on a public forum.
Maybe that came accross wrong - let me simplify:
You ran in to the 1 out of 10 dog that is trained enough to refrain from tearing your pup to shreds if his master tells it to.
The other 9 portuguese dogs would probably not have given up unless you pelted them with rocks.
I visited the dutch people who live in that house you talk about. When I arrived the dog came belting for the gate. Like in your case, it took two sharp words from the owner for the dog to stand down and go to its kennel.
That dog is very much under control and the fact that it nearly gave you a heart attack is no reason to go slating the poor animal and its owner on a public forum.