Crise What Crise?

[Gerry Cullen]

I just have to ask, the restaurant your talking about isn't RUI'S by any chance, have to honest I thought it was great value for money. Secondly, the expression "feckin' eejet" is , by Irish standards, quite harmless, noy meant to be as derogatory as it might appear.

[fmm]

Firstly being called a fecking eejit is mildly offensive and unnecessary in the context.

Anyway - I went to Ruis in Silves last night. I booked a table a few days ago.

When we got there at our allotted time of 8.30pm the restaurant was absolutely full, there was a waiting queue outside of 15 people (I know because I counted them).

When we left at 10.15pm, the queue outside had risen to 33 people (again, I counted them) and every table was full in the restaurant.

Majority of people in the restaurant and queuing were Portuguese ...

I spent 120 euros for two people - had the full works and it was amazing. I may be a fecking eejit according to some on here, but I am definitely a gourmet fecking eejit (or should I say gourmand ...)

[martin]

which proves my point, is there really a "crise" when people are lining up to spend such an amount of money on an evening meal?

Perhaps its true in Portugal what they say about Greece "its a poor county full of rich people"

[Polli62]

Talking to the lady who works at my solicitos in Cvo, she was saying the electricity tax is going up fom 6% to 23% next month

Or something along those lines!

...

Re IVA on electricity, I find that absolutlely scandalous if it goes ahead. Especially when they talk about dropping IVA on golf, golf isn't a necessity but electricity is.

[ron5000]

Gas and electric will be 23% VAT instead of the current 6% and in January goes up to 25%, happy days ahead

[HampshireRich]

This will result in a reduction in the rental pool as those many owners who only rent for a few weeks of the year decide that it is all too much hassle and the returns will not be worth it.

The " hotel " industry and the growing number of " touristica " developments are obvioulsy lobbying government to put tighter controls on the private sector as this will mean more business for them.

But if this does take hold it will be another kick in the gonads for the property market as buyers who " buy to rent " will also think that it is not going to be worth doing.

( Starting to worry , I am morphing into glooom and gloomier )

It will get us all in the end

Come on guys - Glass Half Full in times of crisis - not Glass Half Empty - think the worse and it will happen - hope for the best at least you will be happy for a while.

[joeysoap]

every table was full at 10.15 and there was a queue outside of 33 people.

happy days.

[pat anderson]

I would go to whatever restuarant you fancy and order what ever you like, because it sounds as if very soon it will be bratwurst and sauerkraut only on the menu -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1VVpsKzz5

[Jaylay]

http://www.theportugalnews.com/
this article says electricity up to 13 % iva, but restaurant meals up to the top level of 23%

[widge]

As Maggie once famously said " socialism only fails when it runs out of other people's money" all these tax increases will reduce the overall tax take as people find ways to avoid paying it.

[cereza]

This will result in a reduction in the rental pool as those many owners who only rent for a few weeks of the year decide that it is all too much hassle and the returns will not be worth it.

The " hotel " industry and the growing number of " touristica " developments are obvioulsy lobbying government to put tighter controls on the private sector as this will mean more business for them.

But if this does take hold it will be another kick in the gonads for the property market as buyers who " buy to rent " will also think that it is not going to be worth doing.

( Starting to worry , I am morphing into glooom and gloomier )

It will get us all in the end

Come on guys - Glass Half Full in times of crisis - not Glass Half Empty - think the worse and it will happen - hope for the best at least you will be happy for a while.

Maybe I've been a Palace fan too long eh Rich ??

[ron5000]

http://www.theportugalnews.com/
this article says electricity up to 13 % iva, but restaurant meals up to the top level of 23%

Not according to Portuguese TV last night. Saying 23% for gas and electric is likely

[joeysoap]

ireland and portugal accepted the bailout and have to accept the consequences, however raising vat on restaurants (and probably hotels) is counter productive and will yield nothing extra in the end.

ireland had 3 rates of vat until very recently . 0% on footstuffs, 13% on service industry and 21% on everything else, this to rise to 22% next year and 23% the year after.

however the 13% on service industry has been reduced to 10% recently in the case of - hotels, restaurants, hair dressers etc etc ie labour intensive industries in order to try and stimulate business in those sectors. This has been agreed with the 'troicka' who monitor the bailout process, so I cannot see how Portugal could not negotiate the same deal.

there is 13% vat on electricity and this remains at 13%.

I suspect that the rate in portugal will be the 13% rate and this will also be applied to our water charges (currently 6%). 23% on services that are essential will be punative especially on the Portuguese themselves.

[James Faro]

In reland...............however the 13% on service industry has been reduced to 10% recently in the case of - hotels, restaurants, hair dressers etc etc ie labour intensive industries in order to try and stimulate business in those sectors. This has been agreed with the 'troicka' who monitor the bailout process, so I cannot see how Portugal could not negotiate the same deal.

Joey, that seems to be working because the hotel I always stay in, in Dun Laohghaire seems to have a big increase in bookings and events compared to the same period last year. This is what the staff tell me and they are took on extra staff. Most Irish politicians have experience of working in the private sector so they know what enhances and what damage business.

Increasing levies only deters more business and reduces revenue. The bigger the countries the the more remote government is in helping the private sector.

[martin]

walking past the citroen showroom in messines, a notice is on the window saying they are shut for 2 weeks for their hols...and I thought cars sales were really down at the moment!!

As the showroom in Messines is part of garage in Portimao I suppose no one has heard of holiday relief or is it that can no one be bothered?