The Black Stove - Live (ly) still?

[johnhee]

Could someone advise what the current state of the BS & its music nights are at present?

Last year we met 7 nights a week music/late revellers (and 7 nights a week interrupted sleep)

But after checking this viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19185&start=30 forum thread it seems to have settle into something more "neighbourly"

Current situation if some one would be kind enough.
We're due over in a few weeks time & may need to sort out earplugs in advance

[Goatee]

We were in there on Saturday. There was a hell's angels meet on but tbh the band woulda sent ye to sleep, lol. The cops (gnr) got the staff to close the doors around about eleven so hopefully ye'll get some rest this year!

[kappa]

Indeed, it was quite alive last saturday -there was a fight going on and about 4 GNR cars and INEM there at 3 A.M.!

[EMM]

Black Stove "Deader than a Dodo's doo daa ". last night , Talvez was as busy as we have seen it , it has been like that for most of this week.

[johnhee]

Thanks all for the feedback - sounds like we've a reasonable chance of a much needed breather this year

A pity we missed the H.A. shindig - we happen to know quite a few in the UK and would probably have joined in the party for a change

[Goatee]

Thanks all for the feedback - sounds like we've a reasonable chance of a much needed breather this year

A pity we missed the H.A. shindig - we happen to know quite a few in the UK and would probably have joined in the party for a change

We spoke to some of them from Geneva. "did you ride all the way from Switzerland" we enquired "no, we flew" was the answer. Dennis Hopper will be turning in his grave hahaha! HA my erse

[steve]

I took my visiting sister up to Foia yesterday and there were about 30 Harley Davidsons parked up there while their Hells Angels owners "took refreshment". From the leathers it looked like a meeting of the Algarve chapter and a chapter from Germany. The bikes were truly magnificent and in immaculate condition. They covered a wide range of models including a racer model of the Screaming Eagle.

The Hells Angels themselves were a very sociable bunch and posed for group photos with a lot of good humour. Several of them came up and made a fuss of my dog and chatted about their bikes. Not the menacing brigade that sometimes appear in the press.

[SJ & RE]

Hells Angel Chapters are on the whole a great bunch and do a great deal for charity and in some cases help the police. I have great respect for them. As in any group of people you may get the one rotten apple.

[paulam]

Just back from Carvoeiro and the Black stove is really going down hill. For such a fantastic place it should be hopping but because of a certain resident they are having big problems. They are only doing music now on a fri sat and sun and we will see how long that goes for. We where there and the music was no load it was only about 10.30 and a resident called the police for get them to close the doors. Honestly when they new that the bar was being built why didnt they reject the idea then instead of letting them built a fantastic upto date building and make them close the doors.... If you dont like music dont live on the main road. In anyway there is not many places anymore that do , do live music in Carvoeiro... The roundup was brilliant I did put it down the last time but we brought my parents for a drink and ended up having one of the best nights ever. One man on a guitar but had a man called Michael singing one last time before he was going back home. OMG he was brilliant... Loved it ... and can not go without saying that the twin flames in Bradys give it there all...

[R.Wethereyet]

[quote]Just back from Carvoeiro and the Black stove is really going down hill./quote]

Maybe it should go down as far as the square, then they won't have too many complaints.

Seriously though, this seems to be an ongoing and increasing problem for several businesses in town - Mungos, Boa Vida and now the Black Stove to name only a few.

The problem is two fold.
1. Other business owners that are jealous when they see the competition doing well and so get a local resident to complain to the GNR on their behalf.
2. Owners of apartments in the centre of the village who don't want to hear any noise from the bars/restaurants below their property, even though the vast majority bought their apartments knowing that there were already these businesses below the property.

These complaints are happening more and more frequently, yet in the six years I have lived here the noise levels have actually decreased - probably because the tourist numbers have also decreased and the demographics of the visitors have changed.

However, Carvoeiro needs all of its' bars and restaurants to be successful to keep the tourists coming and spending, and to keep the village a place of choice and diversity.

If the blinkered attitude of a mindless and jealous minority continues to damage these tourist businesses, it will have a knock on effect that will negatively impact on the village and also the property values of the very same complainers.

[fmm]

I've never seen the Black Stove busy. I believe there are too many bars in Cvo for the number of "suitable" tourists. It is also not in a good place - if they were nearer the square they would attract far more people who are wanting a music bar. Most of the people near their current location are family types who are not wanting a music venue like this.

They chose the wrong location - and possibly the wrong town - for this type of establishment.

[R.Wethereyet]

I believe there are too many bars in Cvo for the number of "suitable" tourists.

Can you define 'suitable'

[fmm]

Sure. There are lots of families with young children which seem to be at that end of restaurant hill. The Black Stove does not look to be a particularly welcoming place for that clientele. The younger element gravitate towards the square and down there, I believe, the place would have fared far better.

For those of you who say that the people who purchased properties at the top of restaurant hill should have been aware of it being noisy, you are wrong. I have lived up there for 5 years and it is usually peaceful by midnight - and usually well before that. There is one bar, which is pretty quiet, and that is it. The restaurants "buzz" but are not noisy in any way. And the people who bought up there purchased in the knowledge that this was a quieter area of the town. I was never offered a chance to make my views known about the building of the Black Stove - but neither have I made a fuss about it.

[R.Wethereyet]

I believe there are too many bars in Cvo for the number of "suitable" tourists.

Can you define 'suitable'

Sure. There are lots of families with young children which seem to be at that end of restaurant hill. The Black Stove does not look to be a particularly welcoming place for that clientele. The younger element gravitate towards the square and down there, I believe, the place would have fared far better.

I don't quite understand how you equate 'suitable' in terms of people with young families, and a bar that doesn't look welcoming to them, or that there are too many bars! Surely most families with young children wouldn't be looking for a 'welcoming' music bar, or any bar to spend their nights in whilst on holiday anyway, and I'm sure the owners didn't spend a million plus, just to attract the young families who stay for a holiday around the upper end of Estrada de Farol, for a couple of months of the year. Yes, I'm sure they are welcomed in there as in most bars in town, but it must be remembered that at the end of the day, they are bars and they are there to serve a need to those clients who do want to drink, enjoy themselves and have a good time, whether on holiday or resident.

Having said all that, I believe the owners totally misjudged the demographics of Carvoeiro and got the concept of the bar way off mark, and they are now just trying anything to get punters inside.

Just another observation, you say you weren't offered the chance to air your views prior to building the bar. Why didn't you lodge an objection when the aviso was sited on the old house before the plans had been approved for the bar to be built? that's the purpose of the aviso.

[fmm]

I believe there are too many bars in Cvo for the number of "suitable" tourists.

Can you define 'suitable'

Sure. There are lots of families with young children which seem to be at that end of restaurant hill. The Black Stove does not look to be a particularly welcoming place for that clientele. The younger element gravitate towards the square and down there, I believe, the place would have fared far better.

I don't quite understand how you equate 'suitable' in terms of people with young families, and a bar that doesn't look welcoming to them, or that there are too many bars! Surely most families with young children wouldn't be looking for a 'welcoming' music bar, or any bar to spend their nights in whilst on holiday anyway, and I'm sure the owners didn't spend a million plus, just to attract the young families who stay for a holiday around the upper end of Estrada de Farol, for a couple of months of the year. Yes, I'm sure they are welcomed in there as in most bars in town, but it must be remembered that at the end of the day, they are bars and they are there to serve a need to those clients who do want to drink, enjoy themselves and have a good time, whether on holiday or resident.

Having said all that, I believe the owners totally misjudged the demographics of Carvoeiro and got the concept of the bar way off mark, and they are now just trying anything to get punters inside.

Just another observation, you say you weren't offered the chance to air your views prior to building the bar. Why didn't you lodge an objection when the aviso was sited on the old house before the plans had been approved for the bar to be built? that's the purpose of the aviso.

For example. my son who is 9 (and lots of other children of that age group) accompanies me when I go into the Acordeo Bar at the top of restaurant hill. I would not go into the Black Stove as it does not look as user-friendly for me and my family. And that is fair enough. Why should they make it family friendly if they don't want to. My point is that they have situated the bar in an area that is traditionally more of a family area being that little bit out of the main town. Interestingly, other families I have chatted to feel the same. And couples holidaying said they have not gone in there as it was quite empty therefore thought there as something wrong with it.

As the bars make their main amount of money during the tourist season, it seems (to me at least) to be shortsighted in making the bar appear more suitable for adults only.

My comment about perhaps there are too many bars - very few of the bars are busy - ergo to me, there are too many bars! One or two are busy, but some frequently seem to have less than 10 people in them.

Clearly the bar is not raking in the money and the owners must be very disappointed. THe above are only my views. However, I holiday with my son AND without my son, and still do not go in there. WHatever the reason (I cannot quite put my finger on it) I just do not find the place enticing enough to want to go inside.

No idea what an aviso is. I had only just moved in when they began building; nothing was picked up by my solicitor and the first I knew was when the building was started.