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more on tourist property licences
Hi guys, I am going to be opening the subject of villa rental licensing for the listeners to air their views on tonights show. If you have a view and want either advice or just to let off steam give me a call between 6 and 8....................Phill
STRAIGHT TALK the Sunday live phone in show from 6pm to 8pm with Phill Gilbert on Kiss FM 95.8 and 101.2
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STRAIGHT TALK the Sunday live phone in show from 6pm to 8pm with Phill Gilbert on Kiss FM 95.8 and 101.2
Studio………Tel 289587705
can you also include this request...I have amended the lyrics for anyone who might want to singalong
sunny afternoon - the kinks
The taxman's taken all my dough
And left me in my villa home
Lazing on a sunny afternoon
And I can't sail my yacht
He's taken everything I've got
All I've got's this sunny afternoon
Save me, save me, save me from this squeeze
I've got a big fat camara trying to break me
And I love to live so pleasantly
Live this life of poverty
Lazin' on a sunny afternoon
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
My senhoras run off with my car
And gone back to her mai and pai
Tellin' tales of superbock and frango bbqs
Now I'm sittin' here
Sippin' at my ice-cool beer
Lazin on a sunny afternoon
Help me, help me, help me move away
Or give me two good reasons why I oughta stay
'Cause I love to live so pleasantly
Live this life of poverty
Lazin' on a sunny afternoon
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
Save me, save me, save me from this squeeze
I got a big fat camara trying to break me
And I love to live so pleasantly
Live this life of simplicity
Lazin' on a sunny afternoon
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
sunny afternoon - the kinks
The taxman's taken all my dough
And left me in my villa home
Lazing on a sunny afternoon
And I can't sail my yacht
He's taken everything I've got
All I've got's this sunny afternoon
Save me, save me, save me from this squeeze
I've got a big fat camara trying to break me
And I love to live so pleasantly
Live this life of poverty
Lazin' on a sunny afternoon
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
My senhoras run off with my car
And gone back to her mai and pai
Tellin' tales of superbock and frango bbqs
Now I'm sittin' here
Sippin' at my ice-cool beer
Lazin on a sunny afternoon
Help me, help me, help me move away
Or give me two good reasons why I oughta stay
'Cause I love to live so pleasantly
Live this life of poverty
Lazin' on a sunny afternoon
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
Save me, save me, save me from this squeeze
I got a big fat camara trying to break me
And I love to live so pleasantly
Live this life of simplicity
Lazin' on a sunny afternoon
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
In the summertime
(the newspaper critic) There is an exercise we do young people and/or offenders who struggle to accept the need for a legal system/law enforcement etc.Martin if only you could get your words to the original tune published, you would make a fortune and then we could perhaps buy our own island, where the first rule would be "náo papel" and the second one would be "no shoulder shrugs".
Nightrider.
You tell them that they have this beautiful island, it has warm sun, plenty of shade, lots of water, vegetation, an abundance of fish, chickens, sheep, cows and pigs thrive too.
You ask them to tell you about how life will be on the island - starting from scratch with a few hundred inhabitants.
So they will tell you that they will lounge around enjoying it - so how will you eat - 'somebody' would slaughter and prepare meat dishes, 'somebody' would collect vegetation - they soon see that a system has to exist to do this - so what if 'somebody' refuses to help? What if someone is disabled or injured and cannot help? What if you are a baby? What if you prepared meat and potatoes and someone just takes it? - just a couple more searching questions and within ten minutes they have established a complete administrative system and a police force!!
Try it at a dinner party - find a way that doesn't create 'systems'.
This post was prompted by the NR quote above - about an bureaucrat free island which went on say "where the first rule would be ....."
Happens every time
Maddi
Yes please - can I be the one who looks ok but can't sing a note and mimes to all hits?backing vocals ellie and mads (formely of mona lisa montenegro)
Eventually exposed by The News of the World but goes on then to phonomenal success in reality tv shows and through my marriage to an England soccer star.
another piece of information from regiao sul newspaper re tourist licences
(thankgoodness these papers keep us informed)
19Mar2006
Parallel beds: crossroads to continue
Officials from the DGT "have no solutions to the problem"
The Direcção Geral de Turismo yesterday promoted, in an hotel in Lisbon, a training action on the subject of the legalisation of touristic resorts, in which one hundred people participated, amongst them local authorities, technicians and touristic businesses.
At the end of this session, the general disappointment was patent, as everyone had hoped that the DGT would present a solution for the application of the Decree Law 167/97, in relation to the legalisation of properties and touristic apartments.
Non-classified touristic beds have to be regulated according to the 1997 law, which has never been fulfilled. There had never been issued, until today, in the whole of the Algarve, a single licence of touristic utilisation for these type of properties.
In the last months of 2005 the IGAE (now known as ASAE - Autoridade de Segurança Alimentar e Económica) began inspections of touristic operators who work with these beds, confronting the business owners with the inexistence of the necessary Licence of Touristic Utilisation. The regulation of this type of accommodation, which was under the responsibility of the Direcção Geral de Turismo until 1997, was then passed to the local authorities, who did not know how and neither fulfilled the demands of the Decree Law.
In summary, the touristic operators are fined for working with non-regulated beds, but these did not manage to obtain the respective utilisation licence. It is a crossroads without an end in sight, which puts in question a legal activity, complementing the classified touristic offer.
The scenario had already been taken to the Government by the Social Democrat deputy, Mendes Bota, on 10th March, who requested an extension of the law to the end of 2007, but also without any practical effect. The Secretary of State for Tourism, Bernardo Trindade, responded that the extension "would only benefit the infractor". However, the matter remained the order of the day.
The DGT promoted then the referred meeting, which took place yesterday, which they called a "training action", where the principal objective was to clarify to the municipalities the legislation in cause, which covers touristic properties.
According to the President of the Associação Empresarial de Almancil (Almancil Business Association), Aníbal Moreno, who was present at the same, the action "was no more than a reading of part of the law", without bringing "anything new".
"It ended with everything staying the same. The DGT brought no news or solutions. In general terms, the people left the meeting disappointed. The only thing that came out of it is that - the law exists and is to be fulfilled, full stop".
The DGT said that the Councils have to approve the regulations for accommodation, which cover guest houses and private rooms, which "does not apply to all houses and touristic apartments", underlined Aníbal Moreno, reinforcing that until "it would be be counterproductive and anti-comercial, we are conferring to a luxury touristic property the category of guest house".
According to the same source, the officials of the DGT, confronted with reality, "did not know how to respond to the majority of the questions".
"It was clear that nobody, including the Municipal Councils, accept that the accommodation regulations are the solution to the problem. The solution is for simiplification and or clarification of the law, so that this can really be applied", explained the President of the AEA.
To end, the DGT will have said that "we do not have the competencies to take a decision on the subject". An appeal was made to that organisation to intercede with the Government to suspend the law because "the conditions do not exist for its application". The matter continues to be the order of the day, without the businesses being presented with a way out.
(thankgoodness these papers keep us informed)
19Mar2006
Parallel beds: crossroads to continue
Officials from the DGT "have no solutions to the problem"
The Direcção Geral de Turismo yesterday promoted, in an hotel in Lisbon, a training action on the subject of the legalisation of touristic resorts, in which one hundred people participated, amongst them local authorities, technicians and touristic businesses.
At the end of this session, the general disappointment was patent, as everyone had hoped that the DGT would present a solution for the application of the Decree Law 167/97, in relation to the legalisation of properties and touristic apartments.
Non-classified touristic beds have to be regulated according to the 1997 law, which has never been fulfilled. There had never been issued, until today, in the whole of the Algarve, a single licence of touristic utilisation for these type of properties.
In the last months of 2005 the IGAE (now known as ASAE - Autoridade de Segurança Alimentar e Económica) began inspections of touristic operators who work with these beds, confronting the business owners with the inexistence of the necessary Licence of Touristic Utilisation. The regulation of this type of accommodation, which was under the responsibility of the Direcção Geral de Turismo until 1997, was then passed to the local authorities, who did not know how and neither fulfilled the demands of the Decree Law.
In summary, the touristic operators are fined for working with non-regulated beds, but these did not manage to obtain the respective utilisation licence. It is a crossroads without an end in sight, which puts in question a legal activity, complementing the classified touristic offer.
The scenario had already been taken to the Government by the Social Democrat deputy, Mendes Bota, on 10th March, who requested an extension of the law to the end of 2007, but also without any practical effect. The Secretary of State for Tourism, Bernardo Trindade, responded that the extension "would only benefit the infractor". However, the matter remained the order of the day.
The DGT promoted then the referred meeting, which took place yesterday, which they called a "training action", where the principal objective was to clarify to the municipalities the legislation in cause, which covers touristic properties.
According to the President of the Associação Empresarial de Almancil (Almancil Business Association), Aníbal Moreno, who was present at the same, the action "was no more than a reading of part of the law", without bringing "anything new".
"It ended with everything staying the same. The DGT brought no news or solutions. In general terms, the people left the meeting disappointed. The only thing that came out of it is that - the law exists and is to be fulfilled, full stop".
The DGT said that the Councils have to approve the regulations for accommodation, which cover guest houses and private rooms, which "does not apply to all houses and touristic apartments", underlined Aníbal Moreno, reinforcing that until "it would be be counterproductive and anti-comercial, we are conferring to a luxury touristic property the category of guest house".
According to the same source, the officials of the DGT, confronted with reality, "did not know how to respond to the majority of the questions".
"It was clear that nobody, including the Municipal Councils, accept that the accommodation regulations are the solution to the problem. The solution is for simiplification and or clarification of the law, so that this can really be applied", explained the President of the AEA.
To end, the DGT will have said that "we do not have the competencies to take a decision on the subject". An appeal was made to that organisation to intercede with the Government to suspend the law because "the conditions do not exist for its application". The matter continues to be the order of the day, without the businesses being presented with a way out.
Please may I ask a very ignorant question?
The property which I am purchasing was built in the 1980s and I assume was originally a 2 bedroom/1bathroom apartment. It is now a 2 bedroom/2 bathroom apartment. Does this mean that I need to have an amended Habitation Licence? If so, am I right to insist that this is done before any money changes hands?
If this needs to be done, is this a process which will takes days, weeks or months? I really don't want to hold up the purchase, however I also don't want to be left with a property that does not have the valid paperwork.
I queried this with the estate agents when I visited last week, and they showed me the original habitation licence from 1983 which does not show the changes which were carried out last year. A window has also been blocked off (although you can still see it from the outside). I am now worried that work has been carried out that is going to cause me a problem.
I was told that the owner can do what they like to the inside of a property once the habitation licence has been issued, but surely if the habitation licence is used as a reference, then they would expect to see one bathroom and not two?
Finally, I have also been told that you can rent a property out for up to 12 weeks without needing the Licença de Utilização Turística. I assume that this is an old wives tale?
Many thanks to anyone who can answer the above.
The property which I am purchasing was built in the 1980s and I assume was originally a 2 bedroom/1bathroom apartment. It is now a 2 bedroom/2 bathroom apartment. Does this mean that I need to have an amended Habitation Licence? If so, am I right to insist that this is done before any money changes hands?
If this needs to be done, is this a process which will takes days, weeks or months? I really don't want to hold up the purchase, however I also don't want to be left with a property that does not have the valid paperwork.
I queried this with the estate agents when I visited last week, and they showed me the original habitation licence from 1983 which does not show the changes which were carried out last year. A window has also been blocked off (although you can still see it from the outside). I am now worried that work has been carried out that is going to cause me a problem.
I was told that the owner can do what they like to the inside of a property once the habitation licence has been issued, but surely if the habitation licence is used as a reference, then they would expect to see one bathroom and not two?
Finally, I have also been told that you can rent a property out for up to 12 weeks without needing the Licença de Utilização Turística. I assume that this is an old wives tale?
Many thanks to anyone who can answer the above.
First...Ask to see the "caderneta" from the owner and that will tell you what should and shouldn't be there. I wouldn't proceed until you have seen a copy.
Someone I know changed a utility room into a bathroom and did some other minor alterations inside and outside her property and needed to put in a project after she was caught by the council for doing the works without permission. She is 12 months down the line and still waiting for the final retrospective permission and therefore, to obtain a new habitation licence. She also found out during the process that one of rooms she had been told was legal by her representative, was in fact, not and the previous owners had done it without permission and so she ended up footing the bill for that also. So, if I was you, I would do your own research, not listen to anyone other than the words from the local council. Go there and ask the questions you want answered, as people will sometimes tell you all sorts to sell you something.
I personally wouldn't give any money to anyone until you have that knowledge.
Someone I know changed a utility room into a bathroom and did some other minor alterations inside and outside her property and needed to put in a project after she was caught by the council for doing the works without permission. She is 12 months down the line and still waiting for the final retrospective permission and therefore, to obtain a new habitation licence. She also found out during the process that one of rooms she had been told was legal by her representative, was in fact, not and the previous owners had done it without permission and so she ended up footing the bill for that also. So, if I was you, I would do your own research, not listen to anyone other than the words from the local council. Go there and ask the questions you want answered, as people will sometimes tell you all sorts to sell you something.
I personally wouldn't give any money to anyone until you have that knowledge.
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Bruxy is right. Be careful here. Basically the property description as registered at the tax department should tie up with what is registered at the land registry and with what you are being offered to buy. If there are any discrepancies then you could have problems and a long struggle to get them sorted out. If you take a property on like that then it will be down to you to sort it before you can sell it on.
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Just wondered if there was any update on this topic. Our management have filed the request for a licence on the basis that when the camara sort themselves out it should prevent being fined. The cost of the licence will be approx 1000euros. Couple of things they appear not to have made decisions on are Gas and smoke detectors. It is quite possible that villas that cook by gas will not be granted a licence and need to convert to electricity. This will mean for some villas without a cooker circuit having one installed! With regard to smoke detectors it is probable that battery operated detectors will not be allowed and hard wired detectors will be compulsory. As a rule of thumb you would have 1 in each bedroom, 1 in the lobby leading to the bedrooms and also a sounder in the lobby. A heat detector for the kitchin would also be required. I would prefer a wireless network if available and acceptable to the inspectors as the decoration is minimal. These work on batterys but if the battery goes flat it sends a signal to the main panel and off goes the alarm.
Anymore info on the licence subject would be welcome.
Anymore info on the licence subject would be welcome.