VPN

[Octopus]

rebroadcast is not a VPN though... something that EMM is seemingly failing to understand.

[EMM]

I see no difference in you subscribing to a re broadcast site that is not paying for thr rights to its programmes to apying to use a site that hides the location of its users so that they can watch programmes in locations that they are not intended or should not be broadcast.

Half a dozen of 1 six of the other.

[Octopus]

I see no difference in you subscribing to a re broadcast site that is not paying for thr rights to its programmes to apying to use a site that hides the location of its users so that they can watch programmes in locations that they are not intended or should not be broadcast.

Half a dozen of 1 six of the other.

Jesus, this is hard work

Lets make sure you actually know what each are first... otherwise we're going around in circles.

Rebroadcast site = absolutely no purpose for its existence, outside of stealing access to premium tv shows and/or getting around country blocks on channels like BBC.

VPN = a legitimate service that securely routes traffic through its own server. If this happened to be in UK, then users could use it to watch BBC etc.


The rebroadcast site owners know their sites are not legit - the sole purpose of them is to steal content/tv shows/films etc. Some of them broadcast things that are on Pay per view also, like boxing matches or whatever. They could certainly have legal action taken against them.

a VPN will let you appear to be coming from UK, it wouldn't give you access to other premium content that others had to pay for. It would let you trick BBC/Channel 4 into letting you into the free content that UK users could access. But this isn't the main reason for a VPN to exist... its just one of loads of reasons people would want or need one. I am using a VPN right now. I'm not doing anything illegal with it, in fact I'm not even watching any sort of tv show or listening to radio. I'm sending emails... I just want to encrypt the traffic and route it via the UK. This is not something I could have done via a rebroadcast site.

Now things can certainly get a little complicated between VPN's and rebroadcast sites, as you might see VPN's listing 'access your favourite tv shows' and other similar claims on their adverts or websites. This does not make them a rebroadcast site. I would assume any of the sensible ones are being careful how they word it. If I use my VPN to access bbc iPlayer while I'm in UK then I'm doing absolutely nothing wrong. Although I will concede that its pretty clear what the intention of the person placing the adverts was, when they're putting them in Expat newspapers in Portugal, Spain and USA.

You are not likely to see any legal action taken against a legitimate VPN - unless they do something idiotic and start running adverts saying 'use this service to watch Sky Sports in Portugal'.

You will regularly see rebroadcast sites get closed down, and potentially the owners arrested. Like the TV Shack guy etc. For the purpose of this discussion I'm lumping TV Shack etc in with rebroadcasters (technically different, as TV Shack didn't rebroadcast, they listed a list of sites that did. A court found that he was still breaking the law with this approach).

[EMM]

Sign of things to Come.
Filmon. the CEO has just announced that they are withdrawing from re broadcasting the major networks, starting in the states due to the cases bought against them by CBS , etc.
Once case law is established then do not be surprised to see the others forced to follow.
VPN sites are a problem for the internet industry due to the use of them by the pornography industry. There are also national security issues which the UK government and other governments would like to control.
One thing you can be sure of that there is probably nothing that we can be sure of.

[sunman]

Sign of things to Come.
Filmon. the CEO has just announced that they are withdrawing from re broadcasting the major networks, starting in the states due to the cases bought against them by CBS , etc.
Once case law is established then do not be surprised to see the others forced to follow.
VPN sites are a problem for the internet industry due to the use of them by the pornography industry. There are also national security issues which the UK government and other governments would like to control.
One thing you can be sure of that there is probably nothing that we can be sure of.

are you saying that Filmon is a VPN?

[EMM]

The point of this post was to demonstrate that the current unregulated internet TV market is in a state of flux and that nothing should be taken for granted.

[sunman]

The point of this post was to demonstrate that the current unregulated internet TV market is in a state of flux and that nothing should be taken for granted.

having told us that "VPN sites are a problem in the internet industry" in the same breath as your report on Filmon it's fair to think that you are tying the two together. It's been long explained above about the difference between a VPN and a TV content rebroadcaster, which are very different businesses.

and by the way, you don't need to be on a VPN to watch porn. Next time your good lady is at the Bingo or round her sisters or whatever it is she does to escape this incessant barrage of spouting, have a google of "watch free porn", it will either say, 'sorry Mr EMM, but as you are not on a VPN I can't allow you to watch any', or it'll say "which one of these 398,000,000 sites would you like to go to?'

I asked you long ago in this thread (which is titled VPN by the way), and again today whether you are saying that Filmon is a VPN?

tip; the answer begins with a Y or an N.

[laserblazer]

"which one of these 398,000,000 sites w ... to go to?

To which he will reply "Still only 398,000,000? Let me know when you get some new ones."

[EMM]

If you do want to discuss VPN,s any site that hides an individuals internet address is becoming an issue that will have to be resolved.
Even if you exclude the commercial arguements you must agree that their alledged use to download child pornography or spread terror means that action will be taken, if not by the industry then by governments.
Yes you can watch " free "TV today but in the future ??

[sunman]

exhibit a;
are you saying Filmon is a VPN? no.

exhibit b;
are you saying Filmon is a VPN? waffle, waffle, blah, blah, waffle, avoid question, blah blah, change subject, make same point 27 times over, leave it a week till you think everyone's forgotten what you said, blah, waffle, blah.

exhibit c;
are you saying Filmon is a VPN? no, I'm sorry for any misinterpretation. Filmon is a TV rebroadcast company much like Netflix, you can access it on the internet, you don't need a VPN. The difference between Filmon & Netflix is that Netflix pay Broadcasters a licence fee to air their programmes, Filmon don't so they don't like it and are threatening legal action.
All of which has no impact on anybody on holiday in Portugal who decides to subscribe to a VPN to watch BBC & ITV player.

[Octopus]

If you do want to discuss VPN,s any site that hides an individuals internet address is becoming an issue that will have to be resolved.
Even if you exclude the commercial arguements you must agree that their alledged use to download child pornography or spread terror means that action will be taken, if not by the industry then by governments.
Yes you can watch " free "TV today but in the future ??

Who said VPN's were being used to download child porn to spread terror? As it looks like something you just made up

VPN's are often LESS anonymous.... not more. The one I'm using right now has been paid for using my own Paypal account. Paying is the only way to access it. Sure the BBC can't see that I'm apparently in UK when I'm not. But if I downloaded a child porn video off a police sting site they'd quickly get my Paypal info from the VPN...

I think its probably best if you just stop commenting on stuff you don't know a thing about. You'd look less silly that way.