Private villas registering paying guests

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Tony Knight
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Private villas registering paying guests

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Hi there.

May I ask in anybody has been asked to provide passport details in hiring a villa in order to meet legislation laid down this year. We were not aware of this ruling previously, but have been asked for this information for next year's booking. Does this leave one open to identity fraud? I would be interested to hear any comments.

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The information that should be reported (for all non-Portuguese paying guests) to SEF is:

Full names
Passport (or ID card) number & country of issue
Town/country of birth
Date of birth
Town/country of current residence
Dates of check-in and check-out at the accommodation

While it may be convenient for the owners/managers to request this information at the time of booking, it is not needed until the occupation of the property commences. Furthermore it's quite possible that a passport number or place of residence could change before next year.

IMHO, this information alone would not be sufficient to allow identity theft - it would be different if there was a requirement to provide a copy of your passport. However if the above information is being used to secure other information or assets (by being used as passwords or answers to security questions) then that is very risky.
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Richard.

Many thanks for your most informative response to my posting. All details duly noted.

Tony
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We are wondering whether this new legislation can be ruled illegal as it is treating Portuguese citizens differently to other members of the EU and we have an idea that this is not allowed? Anyone with a legal background know if this might be the case. If so it would be yet another example of the Portuguese rushing laws through without proper consideration. :roll:
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carolyn wrote:We are wondering whether this new legislation can be ruled illegal as it is treating Portuguese citizens differently to other members of the EU and we have an idea that this is not allowed? Anyone with a legal background know if this might be the case. If so it would be yet another example of the Portuguese rushing laws through without proper consideration. :roll:
This saga has been going on for years,.........registering your property, obtaining a licence, applying for tax status, getting all the relevant certificates for gas, electric, acoustics etc, etc.

If you are lucky enough to own a property in Portugal ( are you really a Portuguese citizen ??) ,fall in line with Portuguese law or sell it ! :shock:
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As far as I can tell the current legislation about reporting this information dates from around 2007/8, so it's not really being rushed in. :D
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How is all the legislation regarding renting property for holiday rentals monitered

System looks very complicated. :roll:
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lucylu wrote:How is all the legislation regarding renting property for holiday rentals monitered

System looks very complicated. :roll:
From the "Resident"

The government’s council of ministers approved new regulations last week ostensibly designed to “simplify” the process of registering properties for ‘alojamento local’ (holiday tourism).

Secretary of State for Tourism Adolfo Mesquita Nunes confirmed that the rules should come into effect this year, and he has stressed that the objective is not to outlaw holiday rentals but to ensure that they compete with other alternatives on the market.

Talking to Público newspaper, the minister said: “What we intend to do is liberalise access to this market and make the registration process swifter.

“The easier it is to register a property, the more property owners will join the legal market, leaving no excuse to continue working in the ‘parallel market’,” he added.

The plan however involves “stricter inspections” and a ‘take-no-prisoners’ attack on online rental sites.

Jornal de Negócios reported last month that sites registered in Portugal faced fines for advertising non-registered properties as do ‘intermediaries’ (cleaners/maintenance crew, etc) involved in the rentals.

As many sites are not subject to Portuguese law, they will effectively get away carrying unregistered (illegal) properties – but the owners of the properties themselves may not.

According to Diário Económico, fiscal authorities are setting their sights on the Algarve and areas in and around Lisbon – two of the country’s most popular tourism destinations.

Jornal de Negócios explains that Turismo de Portugal has only 5,835 ‘alojamento local’ businesses on its books, whereas government internet searches have thrown up thousands more. The popular rental site HomeAway shows more than 14,500 ‘offers’ on the market, and that may just be the tip of the iceberg. Elsewhere there are other sites, also now being monitored by fiscal authorities.

National media reports reveal that anyone caught renting a property without the appropriate papers risks fines of up to €35,000, as well as up to two years ‘suspension’ from activity.

So what is changing in the law?

▪ The new ‘regime’ sees three property classes: apartments, houses and guest establishments, which now also include ‘hostels’.

▪ It restricts the number of properties people are allowed to rent out to nine. Any more and they would fall into the ‘tourist complex’ classification. (Properties registered in the name of spouses or children will not escape this clause, writes Económico)

▪ One of the law’s ‘greatest objectives’, Económico continues, is to create a form of mega database obliging local authorities to share all the information they have with Turismo de Portugal, which will in turn keep the AT tax department up-to-date with regular bulletins.

▪ There will be “stricter inspections covering cross-referencing of tax information and declared activity”.

▪ Property owners are required to “declare the beginning of activity at their local tax office” through the use of a specific “CAE” form (Portuguese classification for economic activities).

▪ ASAE will take over the checking of the new law and the application of any fines or sanctions.

▪ Condominiums cannot veto the rental of any on-site property, unless the rules of the condominiums specifically prohibit residents from renting out.

By NATASHA DONN news@algarveresident.com

|| Former RTA boss supports new law

In a recent opinion article carried in our sister publication Barlavento, former tourism boss António Pina stressed the positive impact these new regulations could generate for the national and regional economy.

“If the number of beds in the ‘parallel market’ is 150,000 (some have hinted at 300,000) and if they are occupied only 30 days a year at a price of €30 per night, the VAT revenue alone would be around €8.5 million, and that’s before one considers the IRC (corporate tax),” he said.

Pina also stressed that if these properties are registered officially and if the law that decides how much money is attributed to each regional tourism board is altered to include these new properties, the Algarve could see its funding increase significantly.

Return to the “Epoch of Terror”

Owners || Despite Secretary of State Adolfo Mesquita Nunes’ affirmations that the new regulations are designed to simplify the process of “alojamento local”, property owners are reacting with their feet.

Many are considering giving up the tourism rental business altogether, while others are putting their rental properties up for sale and pulling all internet publicity.

Denouncing the government’s tactics as a “return to the epoch of terror”, an email doing the rounds of renters in the Lisbon area declares: “One day, we’ll need licences to own a lighter!”

The mail went out to undisclosed recipients last week, affirming: “Anyone who wants to register their property is letting themselves in for a complete nightmare, and will be persecuted by the vultures of the state, the town halls and the tax authorities forever!”

A few calls to owners in the Sintra hills confirmed that foreigners too are overwhelmed by the new regulations and the threat of fines that runs rampant through the small print.

“I’ve had enough,” a British architect told us. “Years ago, we were ‘invited’ to a meeting, to discuss the fact that we were renting out properties. I was about the only one who bothered to take any notice of what was said. I went away and tried to ‘get legal’, and I tell you I am now seriously considering suing the local council for the way it is behaving. It is persecuting people for trying to open the doors to local tourism.

“I want nothing more to do with it. I honestly just want to sell my rental property, sell my home and leave Portugal once and for all.

“This is a beautiful country that is being ruined by the greed and corruption of extraordinarily stupid politicians”.

Elsewhere Portuguese property owners are seething, particularly as they say the new regulations hark back to the era of the PIDE secret police, where people were afraid even to tell their neighbours what they were doing.

“This attempt to bring this kind of holiday rentals into line will lead to disaster,” affirmed an elderly engineer who told us he fought 13 years for his country and is horrified by the “dictatorship that masquerades as democracy”.

As reported in the Resident in May (‘Illegal renters fight back’), property owners who rent out rooms and cottages rely on small battalions of helpers: gardeners, handymen, cleaners, etc.

“These will all be out of a job as a result of these new regulations,” claimed one. “People are giving up left, right and centre.”

Indeed, there is even the threat of fines for maintenance crew. According to Jornal de Negócios (May 22), “another target of the new law is the small intermediaries who work in various houses, receiving tourists, handing them the keys and cleaning up for a commission”.

“The State is doing nothing to incentivise people to register their properties for ‘alojamento local’,” storms the email sent out last week. And one clause in the new regulations does, in effect, leave rental owners’ ‘agony’ up for ransom. It centres on the rule that, beyond the statutory requirements, “borough councils can demand installation and functioning requirements over and above those stipulated in the law”. N.D.
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Thank you..very interesting information..
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That was the ( simplified version ) register and you are then available to comply with the whole version which changes whenever they want it to !
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We have had to fill in a registation form for a number of years when we have arrived at the villa with our passport details.
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